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Is it normal if nothing happens after I press the 'submit' button? 07:23:57 <Mic> What are you trying to do at this moment/which submit button? 07:24:28 <Mic> (but in general I'd assume there should be feedback of any sort) 07:24:31 <waynenguyen> I tried to submit an addon 07:24:35 <Mic> Oh. 07:24:43 <Mic> I thought flo fixed this recently 07:25:16 <Mic> http://hg.instantbird.org/websites/remora/rev/19bb9721c17b 07:25:45 <waynenguyen> I'll try again 07:26:42 <waynenguyen> Yes works now, thank you Mic. :) 07:28:48 <Mic> Here's some other icon-in-tray stuff, the windows part seemingly written with js-ctypes: http://blog.techno-barje.fr/post/2010/08/27/jsctypes-win32api-jetpack-jetintray 07:29:19 <Mic> I haven't tried it, only don't want to lose the link 07:32:01 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 07:53:54 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: zzz) 07:57:42 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 07:59:05 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 08:00:24 --> flo has joined #instantbird 08:00:25 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 08:02:29 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 08:05:18 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 08:07:23 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 08:07:25 <flo> Hello :) 08:29:54 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:29:54 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:32:32 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 08:35:31 <flo> Mic: was the add-on manager position ever persisted in our mozilla2-based builds? 08:36:03 <Mic> I can't remember. 08:36:39 <Mic> Even though I can't remember either having to drag it away from the upper left corner of screens where it currently appears 08:37:22 <flo> maybe it appeared at the center of the screen? 08:37:51 <Mic> I'll try a few earlies nightlies later and if it was any different, I'll figure out when the regression happened. 08:37:58 <Mic> *earlier 08:38:12 <flo> when I read your bug report I first thought it was a regression from bug 712 08:38:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, 0.3a2, clokep, RESO FIXED, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 08:38:23 <flo> but the mozilla extensions.xul file doesn't persist the position either 08:51:07 <flo> http://blog.margaretleibovic.com/post/6356312141/dominant-favicon-color seems interesting :) 08:51:39 <flo> we would use something similar for example to generate a background color to use behind a user icon that isn't a square :) 08:51:44 <flo> *could 08:55:27 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 09:02:03 <Mic> flo: I read this too and wondered where we could use this ;) 09:02:56 <Mic> Windows 7 is also extracting the dominant color from icons and uses it for the hover effect on taskbar items 09:03:03 * flo would like to spend more time actually improving instantbird, and have someone else take care of releasing it 09:12:58 <Mic> I'd say "find someone for it" but honestly I've no idea how to recruit people beside the ones that are coming here by themselves 09:17:34 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 09:17:38 <flo> what would be a good release date for 0.3 (1.0) final? 09:17:53 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 09:31:02 <rikki> Mic there isn't a sourceforge page is there? 09:31:22 <flo> rikki: what would it be used for? 09:31:41 <rikki> sourceforge has a area where you can advertise for help 09:33:48 <rikki> if you want to get more people i don't see why not creating a project there and adverstising seen instantbird is opensource 09:36:27 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 09:37:05 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 09:37:09 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 09:37:45 <flo> do we know if people actually look at these announcements on sourceforge? 09:38:14 <-- igorko has left #instantbird () 09:38:26 <rikki> i found a couple of people to help me a year or so ago 09:42:00 <flo> hmm, so if we want some attentions and have some journalist write about us, I think we can exclude week-ends and Fridays. 09:42:28 <flo> Mondays don't sound fantastic either 09:42:42 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 09:42:47 <ig0rk0> hi 09:43:08 <flo> we won't be ready next week (need some time to finish the website and translate it) 09:43:28 <ig0rk0> flo locale extension doesn't work in head 09:43:36 <ig0rk0> Could not find jar manifest entry 'chrome/uk.manifest'. 09:43:42 <ig0rk0> Could not read chrome manifest file 'C:\Program Files\instantbird\extensions\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}\chrome.manifest'. 09:44:04 <flo> you can ignore the chrome/uk.manifest warning 09:44:38 <ig0rk0> yes- but translation doesn't enable 09:44:55 <flo> have you set the locale to uk? 09:44:59 <ig0rk0> ah- wait 09:45:14 <ig0rk0> yes :) it was clear setaup 09:45:19 <ig0rk0> setup :) 09:45:39 <flo> Firefox 5.0 is planned for Tuesday the 21st 09:45:59 <flo> I don't think releasing that day or a day before/after would be good 09:46:50 <flo> that leaves us Thursday the 23rd 09:47:15 <flo> and if we miss it, Tuesday the 28th 09:47:34 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 09:47:55 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 09:49:05 <ig0rk0> hm- i'm getting this add-ons description issue on two different pc... 09:56:51 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 10:00:01 --> flo has joined #instantbird 10:00:01 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 10:00:28 <-- vicnet has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:04 <ig0rk0> flo afaik there is no firefox for MacOS? 10:05:17 <flo> where did you get that? 10:05:39 <ig0rk0> can you try to reproduce this bug in VM in windows with firefox installed? 10:07:08 <ig0rk0> hm- really there is FF for MAc 10:07:41 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 10:09:36 <flo> chrisccoulson: how is Thunderbird handled in Ubuntu w.r.t the rapid release cycles? 10:10:13 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:10:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:11:15 <chrisccoulson> hi flo - with difficulty ;) 10:11:45 <chrisccoulson> we treat thunderbird basically the same as firefox (ie, in the future we are just going to be tracking the latest version across all ubuntu releases) 10:12:08 <flo> chrisccoulson: by the way, we will release Instantbird 1.0 in June based on Mozilla2, and after that we plan to follow the mozilla releases and release a new major version of Instantbird every 6 or 12 weeks. 10:12:37 <chrisccoulson> xulrunner is an entirely different beast though, as historically we have to spend a lot of time making sure applications continue working each time there is a new version 10:12:53 <chrisccoulson> flo - do you distribute binaries for instantbird too? 10:13:16 <flo> chrisccoulson: we do. (no linux64bit binaries yet though) 10:13:43 <chrisccoulson> flo - your binaries come with their own gecko too? 10:14:18 <flo> yes 10:14:56 <flo> we use xulrunner only for packages on linux distributions that have a (common) policy of not duplicating libraries 10:15:05 <chrisccoulson> ok. so, that would be an acceptable way for us to distribute it (ie, building and shipping its own gecko) 10:15:16 <chrisccoulson> yeah, we dropped that policy for firefox and thunderbird already in ubuntu ;) 10:15:17 <clokep> I don't think the new add-on manager was ever persisted...I wrote the window for it and never put any persistence in it, the size is just hard coded. It's possible when we popped up the real window (instead of our own window) that that persisted though. 10:15:21 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:15:47 <clokep> And apparently I should have read 5 more lines of the log when flo checked that. :) 10:16:05 <chrisccoulson> flo - the only issue is it would need a maintainer. i'm already pretty busy keeping up with thunderbird and firefox, and i'm not sure i could take on maintaining another application with such a fast release schedule 10:16:13 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 10:17:29 <flo> how much work does it involve? 10:18:21 <chrisccoulson> flo - i'm not sure for instantbird, as most of the maintenance came from debian. all i know is that firefox and thunderbird already take up a lot of my time :) 10:20:41 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 10:22:27 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:25:34 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 10:26:56 <clokep> Mic: If you didn't know "Join Chat" no longer works. ;) 10:27:27 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 10:27:34 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:27:34 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:30:50 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 10:31:07 <flo> hmm, email from skype: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/755 10:31:49 <flo> having to pay to complete the registration, to agree to the license agreement, ... That doesn't seem very free-software-friendly :( 10:32:23 <-- FeuerFliege has left #instantbird () 10:34:03 <clokep> No. :( 10:34:35 <clokep> They probably hope lots of people pay the $10 to get in and never develop anything. :D 10:35:33 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 10:37:22 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:38:06 <clokep> Is the agreement reasonable? 10:39:28 <flo> I think one needs to login to see it 10:39:37 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 10:40:22 <clokep> Yup. You do. 10:48:22 <rikki> just a note on about skype, they proberbly added that 10$ fee because they are hugely in debt 10:48:56 <clokep> And they were also jus tbought by Microsoft. ;) 10:49:05 <rikki> yes :( 10:49:17 <clokep> So I don't know if that will affect SDKs, etc. 10:49:43 <rikki> proberbly won't seen Microsoft is just about making money 10:50:29 * clokep was more worried about them being removed. 10:50:44 <clokep> As in the ability to use an SDK instead of the client. 10:51:15 <flo> So looking at the list of locales: 10:51:15 <flo> Ready: cs, de, uk, sk 10:51:16 <flo> Almost ready: fr, nl, pl 10:51:16 <flo> ETA = "soon": es ("this week-end"), ru, it ("on Saturday") 10:51:16 <flo> Unknown (I haven't heard from the translators, but there used to be some real work in the repository): et, fi 10:51:16 <flo> Never started: el, he, hu, zh-cn. 10:51:45 <flo> (Ready += en-US :-D) 10:51:56 <clokep> Releasing the beta might spurt interest in translating for the final too. 10:52:57 <rikki> hmm just thought of this, if i ever get some free time where im completly board i should to a en-NZ locale 10:53:38 * clokep is off to work. 10:53:40 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 11:00:15 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 11:16:53 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 11:19:07 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: é¨ç·£ä¹) 11:23:13 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 11:32:51 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 11:33:59 <DGMurdockIII> hey guys 11:34:27 <DGMurdockIII> when do you think we could see this in instintbird 11:34:39 <DGMurdockIII> http://techdows.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/switch-between-Firefox-channels.png 11:37:05 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 11:38:22 <DGMurdockIII> flo can we get somthing like this http://areweprettyyet.com 11:38:33 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): can we get somthing like this http://areweprettyyet.com 11:43:53 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:43:54 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:44:38 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: I believe they're moving the channel switcher actually. And that wouldn't very helpful to us since we don't have multiple channels. ;) 11:45:03 <DGMurdockIII> yes 11:45:12 <DGMurdockIII> stable and nightly 11:45:23 <clokep_work> Something like areweprettyyet wouldn't make sense for us since we'd need to put a lot of man power into just making the site that could be used in development. 11:45:54 <clokep_work> I don't see "stable" as a separate channel personally. 11:46:04 <DGMurdockIII> where are they moving it to on firefox 11:46:16 <DGMurdockIII> becse it just recently disapeered 11:46:19 <clokep_work> Sorry, they're not moving it, they're *re*moving it. 11:46:25 <DGMurdockIII> after a update 11:46:49 <DGMurdockIII> why 11:47:10 <DGMurdockIII> causes to many probles 11:47:49 <clokep_work> I don't know the reasoning. 11:47:53 <clokep_work> I just remember seeing it pass by me. 11:48:21 <clokep_work> http://blog.mozilla.com/channels/2011/06/02/update-on-channel-switcher/ 11:49:02 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: ^ ^ that explains the rationale. 11:53:39 <clokep_work> I think if you release more often it's not really necessary to be switching back and forth anyway since users get the features so quickly. :) 11:55:58 <DGMurdockIII> yeah 11:57:33 <clokep_work> I do really want those gorgeous about windows though! :-D 12:01:04 <flo> how come they haven't made those content tabs already? 12:04:42 <DGMurdockIII> what are content tabs? 12:06:40 <flo> DGMurdockIII: by the way, is there any reason for you to not use Instantbird for IRC? 12:07:09 <DGMurdockIII> yes i use to many channels and servers 12:07:29 <clokep_work> 3/4s of the people in this room don't use Instantbird for IRC. :) 12:07:30 <DGMurdockIII> i just need full irc client 12:07:47 <flo> clokep_work: others don't put garbage around nicknames ;) 12:08:34 <flo> clokep_work: and we should definitely improve that! 12:08:42 <DGMurdockIII> it the way my client works 12:09:01 <clokep_work> flo: Touche. 12:09:05 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 12:09:17 <clokep_work> Yes, we should improve that, what needs to work better, etc. 12:09:18 <DGMurdockIII> what do you see when i do this 12:09:22 <flo> it would also be nice to have more people using it in #developers 12:09:23 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): test 12:09:26 <clokep_work> Although the UI for Instantbird is real tough to have many many tabs open. 12:09:45 <DGMurdockIII> copy the test line to channel 12:09:48 <DGMurdockIII> please 12:10:24 <flo> clokep_work: it's the reason why I'd like to have them in the "Contacts" window instead of the conversations window 12:10:32 <DGMurdockIII> and there is no irc server list 12:10:40 <DGMurdockIII> on instinstbird 12:10:42 <flo> I would like to only have in the conversations window the tabs with which I interact 12:10:42 <clokep_work> "IRC server list"? 12:11:03 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: This is what your clients shows Instantbot: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110610/#m262 12:11:21 <clokep_work> flo: Right, so #instantbird and maybe a couple of others up, unless you get pinged or watched words appear, etc? 12:11:45 <DGMurdockIII> ok 12:11:50 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: By IRC server list you mean being able to just choose Freenode out of a list and it has the connection settings automatically? 12:11:54 <flo> yeah, they would appear only if I get pinged, or if I click on them in the list 12:11:56 <clokep_work> (For example.) 12:12:01 <DGMurdockIII> yes 12:12:28 <clokep_work> Is that pretty standard on IRC clients? I know that ChatZilla has it...but it seems silly for many people to maintain that same list... 12:12:35 <flo> and the tabs would be closed automatically for conversations that I haven't interacted with recently and that don't have unread messages directed to me 12:13:15 <clokep_work> That sounds like it'd be good (as long as you could still "pin" a conversation open, i.e. I'd always have #instantbird open) 12:13:57 <flo> the "closed automatically" part may be an add-on like my autoclose tabs Firefox add-on :) 12:14:06 <flo> well, the whole thing may be an add-on at first 12:14:38 <clokep_work> Would clicking the "x" on a tab have you /part or just not display it? 12:14:53 <DGMurdockIII> flo let me take a screen shot of what my client is doing so you guys can try to fix it 12:17:00 <flo> DGMurdockIII: I don't see why we would try to fix your client 12:17:09 <flo> clokep_work: just hide it 12:17:15 <DGMurdockIII> http://i.imgur.com/6NHtq.png 12:17:18 <clokep_work> OK. :) 12:17:35 <clokep_work> Bah I refuse to fix anything mIRC does. 12:17:55 <flo> clokep_work: you sound like a pidgin developer when you say that :-P 12:18:10 <DGMurdockIII> you can fix it so the at least the ugly formating dose not show up 12:18:23 <clokep_work> flo: Hahah, but he designs his client to be ONLY compatible w/ mIRC, I'm not saying I won't be compatible w/ the spec. ;) 12:18:34 <flo> DGMurdockIII: honestly, the easiest fix I see is kicking you out. 12:19:02 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 12:19:10 <clokep_work> Actually...if my IRC stuff is as pluggable as I hope...I'll probably make an mIRC handler as an extension to deal w/ all his garabage, but keep it separate. 12:19:56 <DGMurdockIII> i really dont like mirc that much but there is a irc client im going to switch to that these guys have been working on for a while when it in a working state im going to be using it 12:20:12 <flo> looking at that screenshot, mIRC seems completely unusable to me 12:20:35 <DGMurdockIII> http://wirc.noldorin.com/ 12:20:38 <flo> when people talk about "real IRC client" I always assume something like Colloguy 12:21:18 <DGMurdockIII> that what im going to switch to 12:23:57 <clokep_work> flo: But Colloquy has a similar layout. 12:24:11 <DGMurdockIII> but they dont want to do a half baked irc client 12:24:12 <flo> it looks like Adium message themes ;) 12:24:16 <clokep_work> I think a "Real IRC" client to people means a list of rooms/servers on the left as a tree + a big screen on the right to type in. 12:24:22 <DGMurdockIII> that why it taking so long 12:24:49 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Do they have screenshots anywhere? Feature lists? Etc? 12:24:58 <clokep_work> (Launchpad always confuses the hell out of me.) 12:25:14 <flo> clokep_work: or wasn't it irssi ("The client of the future") ? :-D 12:25:23 <DGMurdockIII> yeah i now they have one other site if i can fine it 12:25:38 <clokep_work> Cool. :) 12:25:57 <clokep_work> flo: irssi is to IRC as Lynx is to HTTP for me. ;) 12:26:08 <clokep_work> Aka, it's cool that it's all text based...but 100% unusable. 12:27:04 <clokep_work> I think Mook's extension of combining the windows together and having a tree like list of rooms is a pretty valid thing if you use it as an IRC client...I just find the UX of most IRC clients to be unusable. 12:27:23 <clokep_work> I've tried a bunch and they just expose the protocol way too much. 12:28:28 <DGMurdockIII> http://ircdotnet.codeplex.com/ 12:28:37 <DGMurdockIII> this is there other site 12:28:41 <clokep_work> You'll have to let me know when that comes out DGMurdockIII so I can try it and steal ideas. ;) 12:28:52 --> Even has joined #instantbird 12:28:52 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 12:29:42 <DGMurdockIII> irc.net is the irc library that will powar there client that what there working on right now 12:30:48 <flo> am I the only one understanding that explanation as "it's vaporware"? :) 12:31:50 <clokep_work> Hence why I asked him to tell me instead of following it myself. ;) 12:32:00 <clokep_work> There's a spelling error on that page. :( 12:37:11 <clokep_work> Most of people in #developers use irssi I think though, no? 12:37:21 <flo> or chatzilla 12:37:31 <flo> or colloguy 12:37:36 * clokep_work might need to make an extension to ping every one w/ a CTCP VERSION command. ;) 12:37:46 <clokep_work> Silver does this in #chatzilla btw. 12:38:06 <clokep_work> (As far as I can tell, his clients always pings me w/ VERSION whenever I connect.) 12:40:49 <flo> et was complete in august 2010, but never released. Fi was complete for 0.2 and not updated since that 12:54:53 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:54:53 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 13:00:30 * flo is at the third line of https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:release_process 13:00:33 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 13:01:53 <clokep_work> Also Releasing soon after Firefox 5 might be good if we can ride the coat tails a bit. :) 13:02:29 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:02:36 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 13:03:06 <clokep_work> Versions in #instantbird: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/756 13:04:36 <flo> so 3/4 not using Instantbird? really? :) 13:05:12 <clokep_work> 55.6% not using Instantbird. ;) 13:05:21 <clokep_work> Although instantbot hardly counts. 13:05:36 <flo> not sure if sonny is using Pidgin or Instantbird 13:06:09 <clokep_work> Right. 13:06:26 <flo> should we change that Purple string to "Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com" ? 13:08:11 --> tymerkaev_away has joined #instantbird 13:09:08 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 13:09:38 <flo> it's at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/irc/parse.c#565 (if anybody cares) 13:10:07 <clokep_work> Interestingly...none of the clients I just pinged returned the version as it's specified in the spec, which is: <client name>:<version>:<environment> 13:10:47 <clokep_work> Although an updated spec says <client name and version><space><environment and version><space><organization and contact> 13:10:48 <flo> returning the version number doesn't seem like a great idea (for security) 13:10:49 <clokep_work> So who knows. :) 13:11:33 <clokep_work> Yes, I agree. It'd be good to return Instantbird though (with the website) probably. 13:11:36 <flo> it shouldn't be more detailed than in the user agent 13:12:08 <flo> wasn't there a proposal for removing the buildid from the useragent? 13:12:47 <clokep_work> Yes, I think so. Is it still there? 13:14:34 <FeuerFliege> Hi, I like the new buddie icon placeholder 13:14:41 <flo> :) 13:15:10 <flo> so for this beta, we are going to ship cs, de, fr, uk, sk 13:15:28 <clokep_work> and en-US! 13:15:32 <clokep_work> I want to be able to use it. :P 13:15:33 <flo> :) 13:15:47 <flo> who cares about americans? ;) 13:15:59 <clokep_work> :'( 13:16:12 <clokep_work> I'll probably only use it for day anyway. :) 13:16:24 <flo> you know the french locale is made in the US? ;) 13:17:06 <clokep_work> That's ironic. :) 13:17:20 <FeuerFliege> flo: really? 13:17:25 <flo> yeah 13:18:21 <clokep_work> flo: I'd be for switching the VERSION string if it's easy enough to do for 0.3 final. 13:18:30 <flo> yes, after beta 13:18:34 <flo> remind me to do it :) 13:18:40 * clokep_work will file a bug. 13:18:45 <flo> or file a bug :) 13:19:04 <flo> I think we also wanted to file a bug for the CSS improvements around the contact drop target 13:19:41 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:19:49 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 13:20:37 <FeuerFliege> btw is there a reason, that IRC channel canât be saved (except auto join)? 13:20:38 <-- FeuerFliege has left #instantbird () 13:21:32 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 836 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 13:21:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836 tri, --, 0.3, nobody, NEW, Change VERSION string for IRC 13:22:05 <clokep_work> CSS improvements? Like the ones Mic showed the other day? 13:22:22 <flo> italic/gray/centered/<>/()/... that discussion 13:22:34 <clokep_work> Ah, yes. :) Just do all of them. ;) 13:22:58 <flo> + highlight the buddies too when the target is the contact 13:23:11 <flo> well, more generally "make that look less ugly" 13:25:00 <clokep_work> Fair enough. :) 13:25:01 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:27:19 <clokep_work> Any idea what he meant by "be saved"? :-/ 13:27:35 <flo> I assume he meant "put in the buddy list". 13:27:53 <flo> and wanted actually "an history for completion when joining again in the future" :) 13:27:53 <clokep_work> Ah, probably. 13:28:30 <clokep_work> That would be nice. :) 13:28:40 <flo> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/waterfall :) 13:29:27 <clokep_work> Linux is compiling, Mac is updating...and Windows is STILL cleaning. :( 13:29:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ad78b9fd0ce1 - Florian Quèze - Set version number to 0.3b1, change default revisions in client.py and add shipped-locales. 13:29:51 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/502afc2ea316 - Florian Quèze - Bump version number to 0.3pre on the default branch. 13:30:56 * clokep_work wonders if it should be bumped to 1.0pre? 13:31:00 <Mic> http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5656/funwithwindowsapi.png 13:31:54 <clokep_work> Mic: Congrats! Did the other computer receive and respond? ;) 13:32:22 <Mic> oh, i meant the window styling not the content of the window ;) 13:32:27 <clokep_work> Oh hahaha. 13:32:46 <clokep_work> ...it's backwards? 13:32:57 <Mic> yes, i set the window to be RTL 13:33:03 <flo> why don't you just get a mac? :-P 13:33:21 <flo> (if you want the close button on the left) 13:33:29 <clokep_work> I'm unsure whether you're trying to show that it works or that it doesn't work. ;) 13:33:52 <flo> clokep_work: we just looked at the content anyway and didn't notice the frame around ;) 13:34:15 <Mic> RTL setting with LTR text doesn't go that well together 13:34:28 <Mic> beside that I think it's what it's supposed to look like 13:34:42 <clokep_work> Any reason you switched it to RTL? 13:35:16 <clokep_work> Are any of our locales RTL btw? (I have a severe lack of knowledge about l10n.) 13:35:18 <Mic> I wanted to try if it actually works ;) 13:35:52 <Mic> Sending to the local computer works, and I get good response values 13:36:08 <Mic> It's not a protocol yet 13:36:32 <Mic> I only figured out how to use the API so far (and js-ctypes even more so;) 13:37:07 <clokep_work> Cool. :) 13:37:17 <clokep_work> So does that mean you enabled NETSEND on your computer? 13:37:23 <Mic> no, netsend is gone 13:37:32 <clokep_work> Oh, what's it using? 13:37:51 <Mic> It's a remote desktop service thingie afaik 13:38:12 <Mic> gtg 13:38:13 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 13:38:25 <clokep_work> Hmm...interesting. 13:39:05 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 13:40:56 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:41:23 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 13:45:59 * clokep_work finds it strange that the "Features" listed on Wikipedia for IRC clients include things such as "SSL" and "multiple servers", isn't that expected? 13:52:37 <flo> our l10n repack scripts are busted :( 13:56:56 <clokep_work> :( Moz2 changes? 13:57:14 <flo> maybe 14:02:19 <flo> it seems to be around unpacking omni.jar, repacking it with another locale, and then unpacking it again 14:02:50 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 14:06:38 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 14:24:46 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 14:43:59 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 14:49:54 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/450fa2ae9c0a - Florian Quèze - Include nl and pl too as they are almost complete and English strings will be merged in to replace the missing strings. 14:49:55 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/163b65677c8d - Florian Quèze - Fix errors while repackaging builds. 14:51:48 <flo> next try! :) 14:56:42 <clokep_work> Hah, it helps to use the moz-2.0-l10n repo I guess? :) 14:57:12 <flo> that didn't make it fail 14:57:40 <flo> we just had hundred of untranslated strings that were replaced by the en-US strings during the merge step 14:59:56 <clokep_work> How "close" are nl and pl? 15:02:30 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 15:02:45 <flo> nl misses twitter.properties, commands.properties, a few libpurple strings and some not really used branding strings 15:03:44 <flo> pl misses 6 strings: 1 in instantbird.dtd, a few in jabber/oscar.properties + the not really used branding strings 15:04:08 <clokep_work> That's close. :) Is there some way to check that btw? 15:04:29 <flo> http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/builders/translate/builds/341/steps/shell_3/logs/stdio/text (nl) 15:04:38 <flo> http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/builders/translate/builds/342/steps/shell_3/logs/stdio/text (pl) 15:05:08 <flo> I'm looking at the logs of the "merged" steps on the l10n waterfall (http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/waterfall) 15:06:47 <flo> we need some better automation around l10n 15:06:54 <FeuerFliege> flo: just merge it with en-US for the beta 15:07:12 <flo> FeuerFliege: that's the automatic behavior ;) 15:07:39 <flo> the manual part is to decide if it's complete enough to release or not 15:07:49 <FeuerFliege> ok, but if they are that close why no nl or pl beta? 15:07:50 <flo> I decided to at least build them. 15:08:03 <FeuerFliege> ah ok 15:08:10 <flo> I think you just missed the point of the last change 15:08:15 <flo> I *did* add them 15:08:30 <FeuerFliege> sry i overread this point. 15:10:24 <clokep_work> Yeah, could always at least put them on the ftp and just not on the release page too. 15:10:42 <flo> that will up to the translators to decide I think 15:10:44 <flo> even for complete builds 15:10:55 <flo> we will give them the release candidate set so that they can test it 15:11:10 <flo> if they notice mistakes that are too big for it to be releasable, we won't put the link on the page 15:12:28 <clokep_work> :) And I thought I had a unique idea. ;) 15:15:07 <flo> hmm, it's possible I was overenthusiast, it seems to fail on the incomplete locales 15:16:04 <flo> so it merges the changes and then discards the result of the merge? uh :-S 15:19:47 <clokep_work> Hha. Seems useful. 15:23:36 <flo> pl is complete 15:25:10 <clokep_work> Haha, that was easy. :) 15:25:53 <flo> and we are producing another failed set of repackaged builds :) 15:26:59 <clokep_work> There's some many warnings in mozilla. :-/ 15:30:52 <flo> and so many stupid ways to fail builds 15:33:47 <FeuerFliege> where is the log? I have much experience in failing firefox-l10n builds ;) 15:34:13 <flo> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/waterfall 15:35:06 <flo> we have out of date mozilla strings for a few locales because the code does an hg pull without hg up after (should be fixed by http://pastebin.instantbird.com/757) 15:35:22 <flo> and I'm looking for a wait to make builds not fail when strings are missing. (see the nl failure) 15:36:47 <flo> *way 15:45:05 <flo> the problem is most likely around http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/locales/Makefile.in#56 15:47:04 <clokep_work> Which means it's actually in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/locales/compare-locales.pl? 15:47:22 <flo> I think we should just not call that 15:47:54 <flo> it compares the source dir rather than the folders used to build (where there was a merge earlier anyway) 15:58:06 --> tymerkaev_away has joined #instantbird 15:58:35 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 16:15:06 <-- Even has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:23:36 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 16:24:38 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 16:25:58 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 16:25:58 <igorko> when we will see bea in releases folder? 16:26:05 <igorko> beta* 16:28:34 <flo> starting a third set of builds 16:28:40 <flo> so many failed builds on the waterfall :-/ 16:29:05 <flo> igorko: we will have release candidates in less than an hour for linux 16:29:30 <flo> in about 2 hours for windows 16:29:57 <flo> and about 3 hours for Mac 16:29:59 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0b283aa8fe91 - Florian Quèze - Update the l10n repositories after pulling in new changesets. 16:30:00 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/d192ebb6b041 - Florian Quèze - Make missing strings non-fatal. 16:30:01 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 16:31:10 <flo> that's if everything goes well and I don't have to start a 4th set of builds of course :) 16:40:40 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 16:48:17 <flo> ah, the linux build is almost done already :) 16:51:27 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 16:53:25 <flo> can someone with some hg knowledge and less tired than I am currently tell me what I messed up to have this: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/758 (the hg update call that doesn't actually update the files)? 16:57:16 <clokep_work> Wouldn't you want "hg update -R default -C" ? 16:57:24 <clokep_work> Update to the default revision, and clean? 17:04:42 <flo> shouldn't this already be what that line does? 17:05:33 <clokep_work> What is "-R /builds/slave/linux/pl"? 17:06:34 <flo> the path to the repository 17:06:41 <flo> ah, the problem is: http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/pl/ 17:07:04 <flo> the pl team put their new translations in a 0.3b1 branch :-S 17:08:37 <clokep_work> Ah, that would do it. :) 17:12:37 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:13:16 <flo> I pushed a merge in the pl repository 17:13:23 <flo> and it's time to restart that build _again_ 17:15:31 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 17:19:36 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:21:18 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 17:21:27 <clokep_work> #4? :( 17:21:32 <flo> yes 17:21:34 <flo> on Linux at least 17:21:40 <clokep_work> Did Mac & Windows at least not get to that point yet that fixing the repository should fix it? :) 17:21:50 <flo> the other 2 OS hadn't updated the pl repository yet, so they are still on their 3rd attempt 17:22:20 <flo> it would be nice to check in the linux log that nothing else went wrong 17:22:51 <flo> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-release-0.3b1/builds/2/steps/shell_2/logs/stdio if anybody finds something scary in this log, tell me. 17:23:03 <flo> Don't miss an opportunity to make me start a 5th set :) 17:23:03 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 17:23:13 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:24:44 <flo> I'm glad we have at least one fast build machine :) 17:25:47 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 17:28:17 <igorko> flo: why you deleted branding files in pl? I don't get it 17:28:40 <flo> I just merged the 0.3b1 branch 17:29:56 <flo> and yes, those files should be added back 17:30:42 <igorko> and why there are listed not all files in commit changelog? 17:30:46 <igorko> some hg byg? 17:30:55 <igorko> bug* 17:32:16 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 17:34:07 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 17:36:29 <flo> the log to check now is http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-release-0.3b1/builds/3/steps/shell_2/logs/stdio (the build is already compiled :)) 17:38:44 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 17:41:21 <flo> ok, I'm going home, I'll be back later to see the results :) 17:42:02 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 18:00:38 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:06:43 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 18:34:27 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:41:59 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 18:46:45 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 19:02:49 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 19:21:36 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 19:45:06 <FeuerFliege> windows and mac builds tried to call compare_locales. 20:00:05 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 20:01:55 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 20:06:58 --> flo has joined #instantbird 20:06:58 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 20:24:14 <-- mokush has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:28:07 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 20:29:41 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 20:30:34 <flo> I'm afraid we won't have release candidates this evening :(. I need Event to install something on the Windows VM, and the Mac error is not something I understand :-(. 20:39:10 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 20:40:34 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:49:47 --> Even has joined #instantbird 20:49:47 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 21:21:49 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 21:21:51 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 21:22:04 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 21:45:35 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 21:45:39 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 21:50:19 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:50:20 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 21:54:11 <Mic> Good evening 22:05:15 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 22:05:40 <-- mikk_s has left #instantbird () 22:35:39 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 22:39:30 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 22:47:49 <flo> I think we are almost ready to start another set of builds :) 22:48:38 <Mic> Good luck :) 22:51:28 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 22:51:28 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 22:54:00 <flo> hmm, I just tried a repackageed Mac french build and it didn't start at all :-/ 22:54:31 <flo> it's possible my local (partial re)build is messed up though :) 22:55:13 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 22:56:57 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 23:02:27 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 23:04:23 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 23:05:58 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 23:06:05 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 23:07:49 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 23:08:23 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 23:20:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/56dc97ef4f7c - Florian Quèze - Additional locales: ru (ready), es-ES (almost ready). 23:20:24 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/637035b44e0a - Florian Quèze - More l10n repackaging fixes. 23:27:06 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 23:35:57 <flo> Good night :) 23:48:15 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 23:51:14 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 23:57:49 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout)