#instantbird log on 06 05 2011

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00:18:05 <DGMurdockIII> orry buy power surge
00:18:23 <DGMurdockIII> a storm i think is comming this way
00:19:10 <DGMurdockIII> fuck i forgot to bookmark somthing that you guy had to see
00:19:39 <DGMurdockIII> did you hear about the skype protocall being reverse enganeered
00:32:57 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Yeah, I read that article (briefly, I didn't download the code or anything). Really awesome stuff! Unfortunately it's the older version of the protocol (from Skype 4.x I think?)
00:32:59 <clokep> But exciting. :)
00:33:18 <DGMurdockIII> ok
00:33:20 <clokep> I'm following the blog on my RSS feeds.
00:33:36 <DGMurdockIII> there making some good projress
00:34:24 <clokep> That's good! :) I'm sure it'll get maybe into a prpl at some point.
00:34:55 <clokep> Definitely a good find!
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01:07:18 <clokep> instantbot: UUID
01:07:19 <instantbot> 5eaf8911-cd4b-4d77-b7c2-abd0270e6bb4 (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
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09:47:47 <igorko> hi
09:48:07 <igorko> Someone knows where are placed Copiryght years for credits page?
09:48:15 <igorko> copyright*
09:48:29 <igorko> i found for About page but can't for Credits
09:48:53 <igorko> brb
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09:55:27 <igorko> found another bug
10:01:03 <igorko> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/88ff717f390e/instantbird/content/credits.xhtml someone should fix copyright year here http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/88ff717f390e/instantbird/content/credits.xhtml
10:01:18 <igorko> oh- duplicated link :)
10:01:26 <igorko> line 267
10:01:51 <igorko> also in aboutDialog.dtd in en-US
10:06:30 <igorko> and here http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/88ff717f390e/instantbird/content/credits.xhtml line 52. I don't see title on page so seems it's not used(wrong  path?)
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11:15:09 <igorko> here is my commit http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/uk/rev/383d7a82805a
11:15:41 <igorko> i don't see ENTITY credit.title in app
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12:37:27 <DGMurdockIII> the the auto upytaytes are failing again
12:37:43 <DGMurdockIII> uptades*
12:39:05 <DGMurdockIII> it was workig fine for a while now it the last few have eather a partial uptade notworking or it thinking instantbird weas running
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13:14:03 <clokep> :) Much better w/ Vertical Tabs enabled again!
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14:30:39 <Chaz6-> <3 vertical tabs
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15:41:41 <Jack> Hi, how does Instantbird store passwords? I am not able to try it myself, but a new user of it reports that they don't see an accounts.xml.
15:46:08 <clokep> Jack: It stores them in the Mozilla preference system.
15:46:32 <clokep> prefs.js I believe the actual file is called.
15:47:15 <Jack> Ah, okay, still plaintext?
15:47:59 <clokep> Yes unfortunately, we were hoping to use the Mozilla password manager for 0.3, but it's not going to happen.
15:48:14 <Jack> Ah, okay. Just curious, I have unique passwords anyway. :P Thanks.
15:48:48 <clokep> No problem! Yeah most IM programs store them in plaintext, so...yeah, eventually we won't be. :)
15:49:18 <Jack> :)
15:49:43 <Jack> lb
15:49:45 <Jack> Oops
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15:58:19 <FeuerFliege> hi 
15:58:36 <FeuerFliege> what is the difference between a buddy and a contact?
15:58:39 <clokep> Hello.
15:58:49 <clokep> A contact is multiple buddies combined.
16:00:02 <clokep> FeuerFliege: See https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Mic/Definition_of_terms perhaps?
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16:01:50 <FeuerFliege> yeah, that’s hard to translate :)
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16:04:57 <clokep> It barely makes sense in English. ;)
16:05:05 <clokep> Good evening flo!
16:05:14 <flo> it's only 6pm ;)
16:05:16 <flo> hello :)
16:05:31 <clokep> 6 pm = evening. ;)
16:05:48 <clokep> Kind of. :(
16:07:26 <flo> yeah :)
16:08:02 <flo> the AMI works as if its engine was brand new :)
16:10:03 <FeuerFliege> clokep: hm… my main problem is now, that „Kontakt“ is used for buddy in the german translation AND that Kontakt is used for contact …
16:11:03 <flo> by the way, where is the difference between a buddy and a contact exposed in the UI? Is it useful or a bug?
16:16:25 <clokep> Right, I mean is there any reason to have them different in the UI?
16:17:08 <flo> I see the word "Buddy" in the tooltip of both contacts and buddies, indicating the username (ahem...) of the (preferred) buddy.
16:17:57 <flo> the word "username" would clearly make more sense than "buddy" at this place (even though it doesn't really make a lot of sense either)
16:18:37 <flo> there's also "Add Buddy" in the "File" menu, which adds... a contact :-S
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16:22:58 <clokep> It's a difficult concept to explain. :(
16:23:41 <igorko> flo Hi. Please read my messages from log
16:23:44 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/736
16:23:57 <flo> I don't see any place there where the word "buddy" is usefully exposed
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16:24:34 <igorko> about copyright year(in 2 places) and about Credits page title
16:24:40 <igorko> bbl
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16:26:13 <flo> igorko: I don't think the <title> of credits.xhtml is ever used
16:26:26 <flo> err, I meant displayed to the user
16:28:57 <clokep> Yeah, they don't seem to be..
16:29:47 <flo> so, the copyright year seems to be written at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/app/macbuild/Contents/Info.plist.in#10, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/app/macbuild/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings.in#2, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/locales/en-US/chrome/instantbird/aboutDialog.dtd#9 and http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content
16:30:21 <flo> I think the one in the locales is a mistake, as we don't want each locale team to have to update it every year :-S
16:31:36 <clokep> Years are pretty much the same everywhere...well as long as we use the same calendar.
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17:48:40 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep2): how do you get the tabs Vertical
17:49:09 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Combination of changing CSS styles and DOM properties (via JavaScript).
17:49:43 <DGMurdockIII> so it a custom feature you did to your client
17:50:14 <clokep> It's an extension I made last year that I jus tupdated for the theme changes that were made to the tabs.
17:50:57 <DGMurdockIII> it be nice to get this option in instintbird
17:51:00 <clokep> The code is up on Google Code and the extension is on AIO. ;) It's even featured.
17:52:01 <DGMurdockIII> this is for firefox?
17:52:08 <clokep> No, it's for Instantbird.
17:52:21 <DGMurdockIII> ok that what i thought
17:53:08 <clokep> http://code.google.com/p/vertical-tabs/ and https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/244
17:53:17 <clokep> But the newest version isn't up cause of a problem w/ AIO.
17:53:45 <DGMurdockIII> aio?
17:53:53 <clokep> addons.instantbird.org
17:54:52 <DGMurdockIII> that what i thought but when you said newest version isn't up cause of a problem w/ AIO i got confused
17:55:26 <clokep> Yeah you can't upload files to it right now for some reason.
17:56:10 <flo> I've added some code inside the oscar prpl to print the time spent in the function parsing the buddy list received from the server
17:56:53 <flo> when blist.sqlite exists, it takes 0s. With the same account, after removing blist.sqlite and restarting/reconnecting, executing that function takes *10* seconds (during which the UI is frozen) on my linux debug build.
17:57:08 <DGMurdockIII> but speeking of firefox do you know of any addblock plus alterntives?
17:57:43 <clokep> Do you not like ad block plus?
17:58:05 <clokep> flo: That's ridiculous! Is it just waiting for the server to respond?
17:58:23 <flo> my alternative is to avoid websites whose ads I cannot stand :)
17:59:07 <flo> clokep: nah, that's bug 780 that I'm investigating
17:59:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Freeze while downloading buddy list
17:59:18 <flo> the function *parses* the reply already received from the server
17:59:29 <flo> it's the same reply in both cases
17:59:42 <clokep> Oh OK! I wasn't sure if that included network time. :)
17:59:43 <flo> just that in one case we write the buddies into the sqlite file
17:59:50 <flo> synchronously... -_-
18:01:10 <flo> I suspect my testcase is a bit pathological (I suspect linux fsyncs after each sqlite write for some reason, + my account has 200+ buddies), but that's good for a testcase
18:01:11 <DGMurdockIII> i do not like adblock plus
18:02:11 <clokep> Does it seem reasonable to convert it to async easily?
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18:03:33 <flo> it's not really easy but I'll need to somehow find a way to do it :)
18:04:41 <flo> if you have 1000+ facebook friends and the UI freezes for a minute when you connect your account the first time, that's a terrible first start experience...
18:06:20 <clokep> And 1000+ facebook friends probably isn't too ridiculous.
18:06:28 <clokep> Well for some people.
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18:41:17 <DGMurdockIII> i dont even have 100 friends
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20:06:58 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 826 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
20:06:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The difference between "buddy" and "contact" shouldn't be exposed in the UI
20:08:39 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 827 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
20:08:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=827 min, --, 0.3, nobody, NEW, Update copyright year in the about dialog and the credits.
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21:51:57 <DGMurdockIII> look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntbVGGMu_Ac coffie maker
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23:23:47 <flo> ah, the de localization is complete :)
23:27:45 <clokep> That was fast!
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23:40:52 <flo> Good night :)
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23:46:10 <FeuerFliege> hi
23:46:39 <clokep> How's it going?
23:46:58 <FeuerFliege> i have finished tranlating the missing strings and files for the german localization
23:47:39 <FeuerFliege> buildbot made a langpack, but it doesn't work.
23:47:41 <FeuerFliege> :(
23:47:57 <clokep> Is there an error or does it just not work?
23:49:26 <FeuerFliege> everything is still English. I have some messages in the error console…
23:49:38 <FeuerFliege> Could not find jar manifest entry 'chrome/de.manifest'.
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23:50:17 <clokep> Hmmm...I see. I don't really know how lang packs work, I'm sure flo will read the log in the morning though. :)