#instantbird log on 05 27 2011

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01:40:52 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 659 to bug 618.
01:40:53 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(benediktp@ymail.com ) for attachment 648 on bug 618.
01:40:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7
02:10:42 <clokep> We'll have to discuss the state of that patch flo (and what we really want to do with it), but I put it up so Mic could see the changes I've made to the link part. :)
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08:27:11 <flo> Hello :)
08:29:52 <Mic> Hi
08:46:47 <flo> Mic: do you expect the glass changes to be ready for review soon?
08:46:57 <flo> I'm trying to estimate how soon we can release 0.3b1
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09:29:31 <Mic> I'll have it ready by tomorrow evening
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09:56:23 <flo> any objection to releasing 0.3 final as 1.0? :)
10:00:46 <Mic> Ah, no .. how cool. :)
10:02:57 <Mic> And six weeks later then 2.0? :P
10:06:15 <flo> we will see :)
10:08:47 <Mic> People seem to like Instantbird despite its "extremely early phase in development" ;)
10:08:55 <flo> héhé ;)
10:09:34 <flo> we could ifdef the number for Windows users, but that would be extremely confusing ;)
10:10:11 <flo> ideas for what should change (as little as possible, please!) on the website for the new release?
10:11:49 <flo> I know already: new release notes, fix fake to recreate all the screenshots with the new version (and take the Windows screenshots with Win7), add lots of protocol icons on the front page under "has never been easier", add facebook/twitter/whatever share buttons, localization.
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10:14:49 <clokep> "as little as possible" and then you list like 15 things? :P
10:15:00 <flo> yeah, I know...
10:15:17 <clokep> Can the RSS feed thing showing the recommended extensions show screenshots instead of the green puzzle piece?
10:15:28 <flo> no
10:15:44 <flo> :)
10:16:07 <clokep> It was worth asking. :-D
10:16:09 <flo> I think the green icon is only a fallback for when the add-on hasn't any icon
10:16:41 <flo> I would like a "donate" button somewhere
10:17:18 <flo> or maybe "Instantbird needs you. If you like it, check out how you can help!"
10:18:32 <clokep> Haha fixing the indent is important! ;)
10:18:43 <flo> sure
10:19:12 <clokep> I'll remove it though. :) Didn't realize that was the only change being made now.
10:19:49 <flo> will you file a bug to get the indent fixed in that specific file? :-P
10:22:09 <clokep> In that case I'm reverting all changes. ;)
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10:26:46 <Mic> If adding your name counts as contribution to a file I think we'd see an uncontrolled growth of these list btw ;)
10:27:15 <flo> in files that we don't ship, it doesn't matter much :)
10:28:05 <clokep> (Also 0.3 being 1.0 I'm quite OK w/.)
10:28:18 <flo> cool :)
10:28:56 <flo> and how soon can we ship it? what can we (not) drop from what remains of the roadmap/bug list? :)
10:29:05 <flo> I'm starting to look at website localization
10:29:50 <clokep> I've been planning to finish the jump list stuff, localize twitter and maybe look at using a better logger.
10:30:22 <clokep> That's my short list for right now. ;)
10:30:36 <flo> by "better logger" you mean for debug logs in the error console?
10:31:15 <clokep> Yes, to reduce the twitter logs.
10:31:24 <clokep> Although if we want to just release all we have to do is throw a few // into that file. ;)
10:31:27 <flo> ok, it's already marked as a blocker :)
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10:32:14 <flo> Even is a bit concerned about the state of our tags (the missing add/remove, and the broken "move to").
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10:34:09 <clokep> Mic: Did you mean that the diff for ib*Status*CommandLineHandler.manifest is missing?
10:34:59 <clokep> (It was, I thought Mercurial was set to auto-add things not on the ignore list, but I guess I messed that up. :))
10:35:28 <flo> it seems almost all the unassigned 0.3-wanted-beta bugs can be dropped. I would still like to see if we can do something for bug 743 and bug 792.
10:35:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Larger and more discoverable drop targets for merging buddies into contacts
10:35:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need empty text for topics
10:37:01 <flo> bug 676 may be easy if we can directly provide an http url rather than a file url like we do for icons of libpurple plugins :)
10:37:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter Messaging Avatar
10:38:00 <clokep> Is that what's returned in the JSON?
10:38:15 <flo> I think so
10:38:28 <flo> we would still need to add it to the purpleIMessage interface, but that's easy
10:39:31 <flo> heh, there's no new string needed for that. -> wanted final
10:40:53 <clokep> Mmmhmm :)
10:47:06 <Mic> clokep: sure, that's the file I mean
10:47:08 <Mic> *meant
10:47:24 <clokep> Mic, yeah I just manually added it so it'll be picked up when I post a final patch for review.
10:47:49 <clokep> I'm thinking we might want to drop the link stuff right now since I'm not 100% confident it works (I'm not even sure you can use it in the Tasks list).
10:47:59 <clokep> And do a follow up after 0.3 is released to fix up that module.
10:55:33 <Mic> ok, but the separator should be usable anyways
10:56:09 <Mic> Links do require some special treatment anyways, I think the app needs to handle the case in which a link was removed from the list using the Windows jumplist UI
10:56:25 <Mic> and make sure it doesn't get added automatically and so on
10:56:34 <Mic> *again*
10:56:37 <Mic> *again
10:56:44 <Mic> Man..
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10:59:43 <clokep> I see. So yes, I think we might not want to worry about that case when we don't have a use for it yet anyway.
11:00:01 <clokep> Separator would be useful if we add like "Join chat..." and "New messsage.." or something.
11:02:56 <clokep> I'll be back in a bit and we can talk about it. :)
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11:43:36 <flo> yeah, if something is both unused and broken, it sounds better to not include it just before a major release :)
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11:56:01 <clokep_work> I agree, we shouldn't release broken things. :-D My question was more of whether to spend time fixing it or removing it.
11:59:24 <Mic> What's good behaviour here? Remove it completely or throw a not-implemented error?
12:02:59 <Mic> I remember my old Logitech keyboard had an Instantmessaging-key which launched Trillian, my IM at this time 
12:03:11 <clokep_work> Ah, that's kind of neat.
12:03:24 <Mic> I wonder if there's a way to set an application as default instantmessenger
12:03:24 <clokep_work> My keyboard has a key to launch the calculator. ;)
12:03:50 <flo> Mic: I know one for Windows
12:04:00 <flo> I've never understood how that was used though
12:05:33 <flo> Mic: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=Clients\\IM\\
12:08:16 <Mic> Thanks
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13:05:13 <clokep_work> Anyone have a chance to read the status update btw?
13:05:23 <flo> the like you posted yesterday evening?
13:05:26 <flo> £link
13:05:31 <flo> *link
13:05:35 <clokep_work> I know it's not ideal to do another one w/o other blog posts, but it was the easiest to write up real quick and we really should get something up.
13:05:37 <clokep_work> Yes. :)
13:05:53 <clokep_work> (Is £ actually on your keyboards btw? I've never thought about that...)
13:06:12 <flo> It's the key just under "*"
13:06:32 <clokep_work> Interesting.
13:06:45 <flo> on a mac
13:06:51 <flo> on the PC keyboard it's the key above :-D
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13:07:31 <clokep_work> Hahah.
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13:07:41 <flo> yes, I read it. It's seems like a good emotionless summary of what happened. I agree that it likes excitement.
13:08:19 <flo> It was funny that deOmega popped in just when you noted a lack of excitement ;).
13:08:33 <clokep_work> Should have had him read it. :)
13:08:38 <flo> s/likes/lacks/
13:08:39 * clokep_work wasn't very excited yesterday.
13:09:39 <flo> so is it better to update the website first, or to localize it first? :-D
13:10:10 <clokep_work> Update so you know what needs to be localized IMO.
13:10:44 <flo> it sucks to have to write the release notes now :-D
13:12:55 <clokep_work> Cause you have to do them twice?
13:13:09 <flo> cause I'm not excited by release notes :)
13:14:09 <clokep_work> Ah, haha. :)
13:17:07 <Mic> What was the problem with the Aero-Fx4-tab styles (cf bug 768) again? I only says 'not ready yet' on the bug..
13:17:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768 enh, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs
13:17:45 <flo> mostly borders not in the right place IIRC
13:18:09 <flo> and nobody with the OS/skills/time/motivation to fix that
13:18:26 <Mic> If I get the Glass patch ready ahead of time I'll look into this
13:18:30 * clokep_work blames it on skills. :)
13:18:42 <clokep_work> Mic I have a screenshot in the logs somewhere.
13:19:41 <clokep_work> Mic: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110504/#m210
13:19:48 <flo> Mic: I thought they were mutually exclusive, but it's possible I misunderstood :)
13:22:17 <Mic> Fx4 has a white/lightgrey to lightblue gradient on the tabs that we lack at the moment
13:22:29 <Mic> That's what I thought was meant
13:22:45 <flo> yeah, that file adds that, + glass on the window
13:23:39 <flo> you can cherry-pick the interesting parts and remove the rest of the file (the things that are incompatible with what you've done)
13:26:43 <Mic> Hmm:9 Firefox even looks ok on Aero Basic
13:26:50 <Mic> *Hmm:)
13:27:06 <flo> Mic: our keyboards are not ok today ;)
13:27:50 <Mic> It seems so ;)
13:30:05 <Mic> flo, which date are you aiming for 0.3b1 now?
13:30:29 <flo> do you believe me for release dates? :)
13:31:31 <flo> if everything works as perfectly and quickly has possible, a week from now maybe?
13:32:14 <flo> *as
13:33:38 <clokep_work> flo: Should the GSoC stuff be a separate post?
13:33:56 <flo> do we have time for it?
13:36:15 <clokep_work> To make one or post one?
13:36:25 <Mic> btw I think the account manager looks quite ok in the download manager look. Just to say that years after it was changed ;)
13:36:28 <clokep_work> We could just put a paragraph in the status update. :)
13:37:41 <flo> we can put screenshots (if we want people to read a few lines of the text we include)
13:38:15 <flo> what about a screenshot of the top of the buddy list, and of the top of conversations, with maybe a teaser of what's coming for win7(https://wiki.instantbird.org/images/e/e7/IbGlassBorders.png)?
13:38:55 <clokep_work> Only if we keep the Hello Kitty icon.
13:41:40 <clokep_work> :) But yes, we really should add screenshots of what's being worked on.
13:50:08 * clokep_work just made a huge update to the status update page.
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16:57:38 <flo> clokep_work: I'm looking at your status update page
16:57:51 <flo> I'm late so I guess I won't edit it much before posting it :-D
17:01:13 <clokep_work> flo: We can always post tomorrow.
17:01:26 <clokep_work> No big rush...unless you're landing things first. ;)
17:01:40 <flo> hmm?
17:01:50 <flo> I've nothing to land today
17:01:52 <clokep_work> If you land more things we have to add them to the status update!
17:01:55 <clokep_work> :)
17:01:58 <flo> I worked on the website localizability
17:02:11 <clokep_work> Mmhmm. Hope it went OK.
17:03:31 <flo> should we list bug 783 in the known issues?
17:03:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, User icon lost after a restart on some accounts (ICQ/AIM?).
17:04:02 <clokep_work> Yes.
17:06:12 <flo> how do we extract the HTML markup to post it?
17:06:48 <clokep_work> :-/ I'm not sure how easy it is to do that.
17:06:56 <clokep_work> Probably easiest thing to do is view source it and copy it out.
17:07:41 <clokep_work> I can HTML-ify it for you and you can post it tomorrow if that's easier.
17:07:41 <flo> clokep_work: http://typewith.me/chWKYnRvoR
17:08:45 <flo> what would you do with the image?
17:10:22 <clokep_work> We can either link to it directly on the wiki or upload it somewhere.
17:10:28 <clokep_work> (Or is that not your question?)
17:10:42 <clokep_work> It needs like a float:right; width: 40% applied to it.
17:12:07 <flo> yeah, the question is should we resize it, what CSS, ...
17:16:09 <flo> what about just putting it inline after the paragraph where it's discussed?
17:16:17 <clokep_work> I got the CSS for it.
17:16:51 <clokep_work> Although 250px might be a little small.
17:17:33 <flo> is the caption clear enough that people will understand it hasn't landed yet
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17:18:31 <clokep_work> flo: Is that any better?
17:18:50 <flo> yes
17:19:00 <flo> except the old one is on the tooltip too :)
17:19:25 <clokep_work> :P
17:19:31 <flo> cool
17:19:33 <flo> ready to post?
17:19:39 <clokep_work> I think so.
17:20:04 <flo> isn't there a problem with the title? :-P
17:20:31 <clokep_work> That's why you read over these things. ;)
17:20:54 <flo> I didn't see it (today... I saw it yesterday but forgot to comment about it)
17:21:15 <flo> my browser attempted to complete the title with the exact same one when I pasted it in the textbox :)
17:21:26 <flo> I would have posted it like this otherwise :-D
17:21:31 <clokep_work> Haha. Nice. :)
17:22:32 <flo> shouldn't we move the div down so that it appears on the right of the "The conversation tabs styling has been updating to match Firefox 4" paragraph?
17:23:43 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ :
17:23:44 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n41-status-update-april-2011-may-2011.html - Status Update: April 2011 - May 2011
17:24:49 <clokep_work> That works. I kind of just threw it in there. :)
17:25:09 <clokep_work> Probably should have had it open in a new window too, but that's not a big deal at lal.
17:31:22 <flo> Good evening :)
17:32:05 <clokep_work> 'night Have a good weekend!
17:32:12 * clokep_work will be busy (Holiday in the US)
17:32:24 <flo> we should have included a next section, with a link to the remaining blockers or something :)
17:32:29 <flo> bah, we'll do it next time :)
17:32:48 <flo> which holiday is it?
17:32:52 <clokep_work> Yes, if I knew we were releasing beta 1 so soon I would've put one.
17:32:54 <clokep_work> Memorial Day.
17:32:59 <clokep_work> (It's on Monday.)
17:33:15 <flo> "so soon"... You'll know it only once it's actually released ;)
17:33:30 <clokep_work> (Honoring people who've served in the armed forces.)
17:33:40 <clokep_work> Right, of course! But I would've put "Next: Release 0.3 beta 1"
17:33:44 <clokep_work> Oh well, next time.
17:34:27 <flo> and I should really add a way to change the author at post-time rather than with magic SQL incantations while sshing the server ;)
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17:54:15 <waynenguyen> clokep_work: May I know how to get the cool Instanbird button in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=656 ? :D
17:56:34 <clokep_work> waynenguyen: https://github.com/mook/bucktooth Not sure if there's an xpi around or not.
17:56:55 <waynenguyen> Thanks ;)
17:57:16 <clokep_work> waynenguyen: (https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603 is the bug about it)
17:57:19 <instantbot> Bug 603 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Instantbird Button
17:58:18 <waynenguyen> I see.
18:02:36 <clokep_work> Yup yup, it's pretty nifty though.
18:02:42 <clokep_work> Doesn't always work for whatever reason.
18:02:57 <clokep_work> I can send you an XPI if you don't remember how to install stuff / don't have git installed, etc.
18:07:21 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 660 to bug 603.
18:07:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Instantbird Button
18:09:15 <waynenguyen> clokep_work: It's ok, I got it :)
18:09:24 <waynenguyen> Thanks :D
18:10:19 <clokep_work> No problem, enjoy. :)
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19:00:30 <DGMurdockIII> hi whats up
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19:32:15 <clokep_work> Have a good weekend.
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20:21:11 <deOmega> good day/evening.  version 1?  Awesome!!
20:21:39 * deOmega have to put his 2 cents in whether wanted or not :0
20:21:48 <deOmega> *gas
20:21:54 <deOmega> *has
20:21:56 <deOmega> geez
20:24:55 <deOmega> I really think, after mic's implementation for windows.. that this baby is ready for prime-time.  However, I would not argue if it was 0.9  because it would say.. we are just about there, but we have a few things that our  higher standard is forcing us to work on before we say we are at that milestone.
20:25:41 <deOmega> But man  .3 is absolutely far too low for what  you guys have accomplished so far, imo.
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21:56:55 <Mic> wb clokep
21:58:29 <clokep> Thanks Mic.
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22:04:13 <Mic> Slowly things are starting to look as intended.. this CSS stuff sucks :P
22:05:24 <clokep> I know. :( CSS is painful.
22:07:42 <clokep> It looks great though. :) It's worth it.
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22:09:41 <Mic> http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9678/ibnewlightbackground.png http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2797/ibnewdarkbackground.png
22:09:55 <Mic> Whats your opinion on the look with the dark background?
22:10:11 <Mic> I'm not completely convinced :S
22:11:59 <Mathnerd314> wasn't the bubble thing patented by Apple?
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22:23:03 <clokep> Mic: What do you mean?
22:23:08 <clokep> "the dark background"?
22:23:54 <Mic> The background behind the window which shines through
22:24:32 <clokep> It looks ok i think.
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23:08:55 <Mic> nn
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23:23:15 <clokep> Mic: After looking again...I think it looks OK on the dark background.
23:26:59 * clokep wonders if we should have a help menu in the help menu that links to the FAQ.