#instantbird log on 05 10 2011

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00:00:56 <nexxuscommand> huge terminology barriers, missing key words from posts. all in all a day to forget LOL
00:01:21 <clokep> Yes.
00:02:31 <nexxuscommand> what i call groups you call tags and what i call accounts you call buddies
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00:04:31 <nexxuscommand> about the only thing i got out of this was that the "contacts" and "contact_tag" should be removed form the DB
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00:14:07 <clokep> Why? I think contact links the buddies together into a single contact.
00:18:23 <nexxuscommand> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110509/#m387
00:22:41 <clokep> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110509/#m385
00:22:49 <clokep> "first name and last name were a mistake"
00:28:42 <nexxuscommand> my mistake
00:30:58 <nexxuscommand> BTW looking at the "account_buddy" to "tags" structure you do know the implied logic is that an account buddy can never have more then one tag right? i am not sure if this was intended
00:38:08 <clokep> I've never looked at that logic, so I'm not sure.
00:38:16 <clokep> Oh.
00:38:18 <clokep> Wait, that's fine.
00:38:24 <clokep> An account_buddy connects an account to a buddy.
00:38:45 <clokep> Only way that wouldn't be OK is if a buddy was in multiple groups on the server.
00:47:37 <nexxuscommand> well i don't know what else to do, there seems very little point in refactoring the DB its either "not going to do it" or "let an add-on do it" 
00:48:31 <nexxuscommand> i hope the simple logs work for you or give you an idea on what should be done. 
00:49:25 <nexxuscommand> its all rudimentary though
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00:52:28 <clokep> Well the logs need to be put into a database yes, but the other stuff should be OK as it is.
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09:40:43 <flo> there's a whole post on planet about the word "awesome", Mic will like that :)
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10:29:22 <clokep> Rumors are that Microsoft is buying Skype.
10:30:47 <flo> :-S
10:33:24 <clokep> Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/09/microsoft-rumored-to-be-buying-skype-for-more-than-7-billion/
10:33:31 <clokep> Announcement today according to that article.
10:33:45 <clokep> Maybe they'll release an SDK then? ;)
10:38:04 <flo> you mean, like the windows live messenger is documented? ;)
10:39:34 <clokep> It was at one point I believe, right? :-D
10:39:44 <clokep> Also AIM is federating with GTalk.
10:40:26 <flo> I don't understand the requirements for an image to be usable as an AIM icon
10:41:52 <clokep> "small and crappy"?
10:42:06 <flo> my automatically converted icons work only sometimes
10:43:36 <flo> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#HowdoIsetabuddyiconoravatar that FAQ entry says both "4KB" and "7KB" :-S
10:44:50 <flo> and "48x48 to 50x50" even though the source code says 100x100
10:44:53 <clokep> And those dimensions are pretty different from the ones in teh code too. :(
10:45:05 <flo> if I downscale to 50x50, I'm much more likely to be < 7KB
10:45:28 <flo> (or even < 4kB)
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10:49:15 <flo> http://hg.guifications.org/pidgin-firstpass-completedmaps/rev/0311ee7bf451
10:49:51 <clokep> http://help.aol.com/help/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=223203 shows png being supported too. :(
10:50:29 <flo> that changeset is 15 months old already, but I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to revert it
10:51:15 <clokep> I don't understand why they do a "scale display" in libpurple..isn't that really up to the GUI?
10:52:21 <flo> who cares? :)
10:53:23 <flo> on your link, ico is not supported. And about png, can we be sure it's not converted before sending? :)
10:54:32 <clokep> Ah, you're right. We can't be.
10:54:45 <flo> well, we can if we wireshark it
10:54:52 <flo> but I'm not in the mood of doing that :)
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10:56:14 <clokep> Touche. Definitely not worth the effort.
10:56:42 <clokep> If I have successfully set buddy icon "a" on the server, and I try to change it to "b" and it fails...is my buddy icon gone or is it still "a"? (And which would the user expect?)
10:58:15 <flo> in my testing, it's usually still a
10:58:27 <flo> but I wouldn't guarantee it will always be the case :)
10:58:41 <clokep> Haha. All these protocols suck. :(
10:59:22 <flo> if I revert http://hg.guifications.org/pidgin-firstpass-completedmaps/rev/0311ee7bf451, things work more often
10:59:34 <flo> (I've only had one failure on the first try (no idea of the cause))
10:59:54 <flo> and with an icon of 50x50, the jpg is easily <7kB
11:00:27 <clokep> I think that's reasonable to revert then.
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11:44:28 <clokep_meeting> Hello. :)
11:51:36 <flo> hey :)
11:54:46 <clokep_meeting> Probably about time for another status update soon. :-/
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12:05:41 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 779 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
12:05:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Grouping and ungrouping contacts is not keyboard accessible
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12:20:44 <Mic2> flo: isn't it possible to set the compression level of the generated jpgs?
12:21:31 <Mic2> rather *while generating the jpgs
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12:22:51 <flo> I think it's possible if you "talk" directly to the JPEG encoder
12:23:19 <flo> but my code uses imgITool to abstract the encoders and just provide the desired mime type as a parameter
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12:28:56 <flo> I really want an add-on that would use the webcam to prevent closing a tab when I press Command+W while looking at the other screen :)
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12:31:38 <Mic2> What about using a webcam to take buddy images? ;)
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12:32:23 <flo> definitely wanted!
12:33:59 <Mic2> I'd also like to have a way to select a region of an image as buddy image (like you have for your small profile image on Facebook and other services)
12:34:38 <Mic2> I guess that could be an addon
12:35:16 <flo> It could be done as an add-on first
12:35:27 <flo> and then if it's good, it may be integrated
12:36:34 <Mic2> Well, it shouldn't take more than five minutes if you ignore design, implementation and debugging .. ;) ah.. sorry.
12:37:07 <flo> figuring out how to upload an add-on on AIO may still take more than 5 minutes :-D
12:37:20 <flo> I haven't managed to upload 2 add-ons recently. Still don't know why.
12:40:48 <Mic2> Uh, I'm halfway through yesterday log and it is becoming increasingly painful to read
12:40:54 <Mic2> *yesterday's
12:42:27 <flo> It's probably safe to skip that day of nonsense ;)
12:46:01 <Mic2> I just extracted something useful ;)
12:49:28 <flo> congrats! :
12:49:28 <flo> )
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13:06:26 <clokep_meeting> Something useful? You lie.
13:08:27 <Mic2> Could someone proof-read this: https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Mic/Definition_of_terms ?
13:09:04 <Mic2> I'm not sure if I'm lying on "any number of" but I guess for all practical purposes it's fine ;)
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13:11:50 <clokep_meeting> Mic2: I would just say "a contact can have multiple tags"
13:13:02 <Mic2> Instead of what? Anything else that is currently there?
13:13:28 <clokep_meeting> Instead of "any number of"
13:13:44 <Mic2> Ah :)
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13:15:54 <clokep_meeting> Aren't ther eother words for buddies also?
13:16:04 <clokep_meeting> Like isn't "Buddy" the AIM centric term and there are other phrases used?
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13:18:50 <clokep_meeting> Skype official sold to Microsoft for $8.5 billion apparently: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/microsoft-to-buy-skype-for-8-5-billion/?ref=technology
13:22:44 <Mic2> The page is intended rather for how we use these terms
13:24:23 <clokep_meeting> OK. :)
13:26:47 <flo> unfortunately, we have 2 different meanings for "group" :(
13:27:01 <flo> there's the group inside purplexpcom, which is the tag of an account buddy
13:27:17 <flo> but there's also the "group" on the buddy list, which is the thing you can open/close and where contacts are displayed
13:28:45 <clokep_meeting> I usually refer to the ones in the buddy list as "tags" :/
13:29:58 <flo> yeah, but the file is called group.xml
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13:33:12 <clokep_meeting> Ah, I see.
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13:38:42 <Mic2> I fixed some things, let me know if you think it would be ok to move it to a proper page and link to it
13:39:58 <clokep_meeting> Looks OK to me.
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14:04:49 <Mic2> Have a nice day
14:04:59 <Mic2> *awesome day
14:05:00 <Mic2> :P
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19:37:54 <Mic> evening
19:38:15 <zachlr> hello Mic
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20:10:16 <clokep_meeting> Hello.
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21:21:02 <Mic> good night
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22:09:16 <clokep> Hello! :)
22:37:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 617 to bug 334.
22:37:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334 enh, --, 0.3, florian, ASSI, Give the user a way to set a buddy icon and a display name
22:38:33 <flo> comments welcome of course. Even though I assume I won't find someone to review such a big patch ;).
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23:16:46 <flo> Good night
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