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00:11:59 <sabret00the> night all 00:13:24 <-- wesj1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 00:15:23 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 00:18:22 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 00:18:32 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 00:19:08 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 00:39:20 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 00:43:37 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 00:55:26 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 00:55:45 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 01:01:04 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 01:17:57 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 01:43:35 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01:47:33 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 01:49:37 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Ping timeout) 01:49:43 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 02:05:14 <-- clokep has quit (Connection timed out) 02:05:31 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 02:05:31 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 02:06:02 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 02:06:49 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:06:54 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 02:08:57 <clokep> flo: I have a question about string bundles for you tomorrow (and I might complain about localizing strings :P). :) 02:26:10 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:45:18 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 03:14:23 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 03:16:58 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 03:48:50 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 03:49:31 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 04:07:47 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 04:10:21 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 04:40:45 <-- yan has quit (Ping timeout) 04:44:27 --> yan has joined #instantbird 05:03:33 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 05:05:30 <-- Mathnerd314 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:20:18 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 05:20:22 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 05:39:40 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 05:55:33 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 05:55:36 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 06:29:02 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: mepine) 06:34:34 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 06:50:10 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-xr [XULRunner 2.0b13pre/20110304030406]) 06:50:18 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 06:50:26 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 06:53:45 <-- kaie has quit (Quit: Leaving) 07:29:27 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 07:30:15 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 07:41:53 <-- rikki has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 07:43:59 --> Even has joined #instantbird 07:43:59 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 07:55:27 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 07:55:37 --> jdt has joined #instantbird 07:58:39 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 08:02:26 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 08:18:13 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 08:18:44 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 08:18:51 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 08:21:31 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 08:29:25 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 08:29:45 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 08:35:39 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 08:36:30 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection reset by peer) 08:36:56 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 08:38:22 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:48:48 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 09:53:12 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: é¨ç·£ä¹) 10:14:51 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 10:16:44 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:16:44 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:35:56 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 10:49:13 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 11:02:24 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 11:02:29 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 11:07:47 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 11:26:08 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 11:36:17 --> flo has joined #instantbird 11:36:17 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 11:44:14 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:44:15 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:46:52 <clokep_work> Good morning. 11:48:09 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 11:48:14 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:48:14 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:48:53 <flo> hello :) 11:49:32 <clokep_work> I checked out that patch you put up...do you really mean the options to say "conversation" window and not "buddy list"? 11:49:57 <flo> it says "contacts window" 11:50:24 <clokep_work> Oh, does it? 11:50:31 <clokep_work> I read it as "Conversation window", my bad. :-D 11:50:40 <flo> <!ENTITY minimizeToTray.label "Minimize Contacts window to Tray"> 11:50:58 <flo> I've meant to rename that window from "Buddy list" to "Contacts" for a long time, by the way :) 11:51:58 <tymerkaev> maybe you should rename window itself first? 11:55:00 <flo> by the way, I tested the patch on Windows XP this morning and fixed it for it to work 11:58:10 <clokep_work> So...if I'm reading this correctly, by default it will minimize with both the close button and the minimize button? 11:58:18 <flo> yes 11:58:36 <clokep_work> Bleh. 11:58:55 <flo> any issue with that? 11:59:01 <clokep_work> Guess I'll have to flip an option. :P 11:59:12 <clokep_work> I don't like the "minimize on close" idea, it breaks the Windows UX. 11:59:15 <clokep_work> (IMO.) 11:59:32 <clokep_work> I mean, personally...I won't use either, but I /really/ dislike the minimize on close. 11:59:40 <flo> the Windows UX is broken to begin with, when you can't deal with > 6 windows without being annoyed ;) 12:00:29 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 12:02:11 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 12:02:30 <clokep_work> You haven't used Windows 7. ;) 12:02:42 <flo> I just said I tested on XP :-P 12:03:55 <flo> yesterday I was wondering if the "start automatically at system startup" thing really needed to be an option. We could also enable it automatically when instantbird is started, and disable it when instantbird is exited by the user. This way it would restart automatically if the system crashed, or if the user didn't quit Instantbird before shutting down the machine. 12:06:20 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 12:06:34 <clokep_work> I think you'd at least want something in about:config to shut it off. 12:06:38 <Mic2> The restart-if-not-closed sounds like a good idea 12:07:01 <flo> I would especially like it to start minimized in the systray :) 12:07:09 <Mic2> but clokep's right, you should have a way to customize this behaviour 12:07:32 <flo> sure 12:07:56 <Mic2> I wouldn't hide it in about:config though 12:08:00 <clokep_work> flo hates preferences. ;) 12:08:01 <flo> I'm currently more interested in the default behavior than in what specific cases could mean someone would want to disable it :) 12:08:18 <clokep_work> As a default behavior I think it's a good idea. 12:08:22 <flo> clokep_work: seriously, the general tab is already a mess ;) 12:09:04 <clokep_work> flo: Make a new tab? :P There's a few bugs open about cleaning them up. But no consensus is ever reached. 12:09:20 <flo> clokep_work: it closing all the windows minimize to systray by default, and having it in systray when shutting down means it will restart, I guess we will have a much higher retention rate :-P 12:09:51 <Mic2> I wonder if a "Restore application after restart" would do... that could even extend to reopening old conversations one day 12:09:51 <Chaz6> Please don't do that :( 12:10:00 <clokep_work> flo: Yes. I think so...except we might get labeled as spyware. ;) 12:10:20 <flo> maybe we shouldn't restart automatically if no account is configured? 12:10:38 <Chaz6> Don't restart at all except if i explicitly choose an option to 12:10:57 <Chaz6> I really hate software that does that 12:11:58 <flo> clokep_work: the only consensus in these bug seems to be that the current prefwindow is a mess ;) 12:12:02 <clokep_work> I don't know about the close minimizes though flo, that still makes me a little wary -- it's just /not/ the default behavior for Windows applications. 12:12:11 <flo> there were some good ideas though. 12:12:26 <flo> clokep_work: I thought exactly the same about minimizing 12:12:44 <clokep_work> I agree, preferences are probably something to look at after 0.3. :) 12:12:47 <flo> on XP it's expected that the windows gets out of the taskbar when closing it. When minimizing it, expecially with a click on the task bar item, it's... uh... 12:12:52 <Mic2> i think that's a common behaviour with messaging applications 12:13:10 <Mic2> "Close" gets them out of the way and in many cases straight to the systray 12:13:10 <Chaz6> Just add a new icon for minimize to tray 12:13:20 <Chaz6> Getright has that, i like it 12:13:26 <Mic2> Chaz6: one of these icons that nobody knows what they mean? 12:13:40 <clokep_work> Mic++ 12:13:44 <Chaz6> Mic2: It's obvious what it is if it's designed well 12:13:52 <flo> Chaz6: the problem we are trying to address is "people closing the application accidentally when they just want to get the buddy list out of the way". Adding a new icon wouldn't help here. 12:14:11 <clokep_work> flo: If that's the identified problem, then minimizing is good. 12:14:29 <Chaz6> Sure it would, you should not change the behaviour of the standard icons 12:14:32 * clokep_work will be changing that option to 0. :-D 12:14:44 <Chaz6> I want the app to quit when I press close 12:14:45 <flo> /me hates that feature 12:14:56 <clokep_work> Hates which feature? 12:15:00 <Chaz6> You could always have an option to "Minimize to tray" in the preferences 12:15:00 <flo> systray icon 12:15:10 <Chaz6> Disabled by default 12:15:14 <flo> Chaz6: there's one to disable it. 12:15:43 <clokep_work> flo: I really dislike it as well...I don't notice things in my tray. I'll jus tdisable it and work on Win7 integration eventually. :-D 12:15:54 <Chaz6> Default behaviour is not to put an app in the tray when minimize is pressed in windows apps 12:16:42 <flo> Chaz6: any suggestion of something interesting to do to address the issue I mentioned ("people closing the application accidentally when they just want to get the buddy list out of the way")? 12:16:46 <Mic2> You shouldn't minimize to tray at all if you follow MS guidelines 12:16:56 <Mic2> (iirc) 12:17:12 <clokep_work> Mic2: I think that's just on Windows 7 they explicitly say to never do it? I think the Win XP ones it was kosher. 12:17:12 <flo> Mic2: aren't those guidelines changing for each OS version? 12:17:34 <Chaz6> flo: perhaps the first time they click close, have a dialog ask if they want to minimize to tray or quit 12:17:36 <flo> was there a windows XP one by the way? I thought it dated back from Win95 :-D. 12:17:37 <clokep_work> flo: First time on close you can have a pop up -- "do you want to close or just minimize the buddy list?" 12:17:50 <Mic2> On Windows 7 it's definitely so; you only use it to display non-interactive information from the systray 12:17:57 <clokep_work> Well...Windows XP is just Windows 95 with plug n play support and a nicere skin. ;) 12:18:03 <clokep_work> Well Win NT, not 95 really. 12:18:12 * Mic2 was just about to object ;) 12:19:00 <flo> clokep_work: then Win7 is Win3.1 with a KDE4 look ;) 12:19:07 <clokep_work> Mic2: Ironically though Microsoft Office Communicator minimizes to the systray. 12:19:26 <clokep_work> On close only, on minimize it goes to the taskbar. 12:19:37 <flo> clokep_work: and there's a crappy "Windows messenger" by default in the systray on XP... 12:19:43 * Mic2 thinks we should teach Instantbot some bad words about KDE 12:21:05 <flo> the dialog idea kindof make sense 12:21:28 <flo> its application would be uggly though, as we already have a confirm dialog when exiting if there are unread messages in conversations 12:21:43 <flo> confirming twice "yes, I want to quit" sounds like a really poor UX :( 12:22:00 <Chaz6> It would only be the first time though 12:22:30 <flo> which action would be the default in that dialog? :-P 12:22:34 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 12:23:17 <Chaz6> Maybe no default? They have to choose :) 12:23:26 <flo> the "Windows Messenger" thing installed and started by default on XP minimize to the taskbar when minimizing, and to the systray when using the X icon. 12:24:03 <flo> I think the first time it goes to the systray it displays a bubble notification saying "hey, the application is still here, double click to restore it" 12:24:44 <Chaz6> I do really like having a separate icon for minimize to tray, but that could be done in an extension 12:24:44 <Mic2> I need to go, have a nice day and weekend 12:24:47 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 12:25:00 <flo> Mic2: thanks, have a nice week-end too :) 12:25:11 <clokep_work> Mic2: Bye Enjoy. 12:25:46 <clokep_work> flo: The bubble idea sounds best, could even click it to close if you want. 12:25:59 <clokep_work> Chaz6: "separate icon for minimize to tray"? Could you elaborate what you mean? 12:26:00 <flo> to close the bubble? 12:26:12 <Chaz6> clokep_work: i'll find an example, sec 12:27:19 <Mic2> I only found bug 542 and bug 561 on the Preferences tabs, maybe we could think about it again and try to find something that only needs to be implemented then? Moving a bit of UI from one pane to another shouldn't be too hard once we know what to do 12:27:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reformat "Content" Tab of Options 12:27:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Merge "Content" and "Themes"-panes 12:28:00 <Chaz6> clokep_work: http://www.sacfurs.com:8080/getright.jpg 12:28:12 <Mic2> Ah, I guess I implied a piece of the merge-idea in my second sentence ;) 12:28:57 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 12:29:05 <flo> if I remember well there were promising ideas in bug 542 12:30:15 <clokep_work> Chaz6: Ah OK, got it. :) I thought you were referring to the icon in the systray. 12:30:39 <flo> Chaz6: aaaah. I used that years ago. On Windows 2000 at the time :). 12:30:41 <clokep_work> flo: Of course bug 542 had good ideas, I filed it. :P 12:30:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reformat "Content" Tab of Options 12:31:09 <clokep_work> Although Mic had the final idea I think. 12:31:13 <Chaz6> Mmm i stopped using it for a long time but that ui concept was nice :) 12:31:18 <flo> /me doesn't know anymore what to do for that systray thing for 0.3 12:31:30 <clokep_work> Sorry for bringing it up. :-D 12:31:36 <Chaz6> Hehe 12:31:47 <Chaz6> Yeah it's a weird problem 12:31:49 <flo> that, too, brings me back a long time ago 12:32:02 <flo> exactly the same thing happened for 0.2, around 2 years (!) ago. 12:32:08 <clokep_work> flo: If you default to 0 (which is the current behavior of Instantbird w/o any extensions), if they hvae the extension installed...it'll overwrite the pref (but hopefully be disabled) and it should still work how they expect it? 12:32:11 <flo> I had 2 mostly working systray implementations 12:32:30 <flo> I was satisfied by none of them. I got very frustrated about it and gave up. 12:37:27 <waynenguyen> Is there a way I can know the person I am chatting which is from which account that I've imported to Instantbird :D 12:37:30 <clokep_work> :( Well at least this one works. 12:38:37 <flo> it works so well that nobody seems to like what it does 12:39:51 <clokep_work> Hahah. Well...put it into the alpha and see how many people complain about the default? 12:40:07 <flo> with 3 as the default? 12:41:04 <clokep_work> With whichever you feel is appropriate. There /is/ UI for the preference so no one can complain too much. 12:41:12 <clokep_work> waynenguyen: I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you rephrase? 12:41:58 <flo> it fixes the original issue at least 12:41:59 <flo> :) 12:42:48 <clokep_work> Yes. I mean I /hate/ that behavior, but at least you're letting me customize it, unlike Skype. 12:42:57 <clokep_work> I'll actually probably go set that prefer when I get home today. :-D 12:43:16 <flo> what I would really like is a systray icon that indicates the status: offline, available, busy or unread messages. Then, when closing the buddy list, it would close the application only if the user disabled the systray icon from the pref window. 12:43:45 <flo> and the first time the application is not closed even though it no longer has any visible window, a bubble would explain and suggest to go edit the preferences if that's not the desired behavior 12:44:32 <waynenguyen> clokep_work: for example I have several Yahoo accounts, and a friend PM me :), how would I know that friend is in the friendlist of which Yahoo accounts of mine? 12:44:52 <flo> waynenguyen: it's visible in the tooltip of the conversation tab 12:45:35 <clokep_work> flo: File a follow up? :-D 12:45:53 <flo> clokep_work: yeah... in which we will rewrite the code from scratch 12:46:15 <flo> that implementation doesn't give a way to specific which icon to use... It takes the system icon of the minimized window. 12:46:22 <flo> *specify 12:46:35 <waynenguyen> ah I see, thank you flo 12:46:44 <flo> the other (prism/songbird) implementation had the icon URI to use as a parameter... 12:46:59 <flo> and it's *that* code that doesn't compile any more on Mozilla2 :-/ 12:47:01 <clokep_work> Oh. :( I didn't realize that. 12:47:03 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 12:48:41 <clokep_work> We'll need to take a look at it at some point I guess. 12:48:55 <clokep_work> But at least this way we have bsaic systray support. I feel like that's a way we lost a lot of users. :-/ 12:48:59 <flo> 2 years ago I tried to "do it right" ;) 12:49:50 <flo> this time I decided to only take existing code and not bother anymore with trying to implement something right that nobody will agree on anyway :) 12:49:52 <clokep_work> I'd love to do it with ctypes, but we can't get the window handle in JS...although I saw flickerings of that in #developers thee other day that they might need it for a Moz Labs Tb extension... 12:50:11 <clokep_work> s/thee/the/ 12:50:51 <flo> not starting automatically with the system is also some way we used to lose lots of users ;) 12:51:44 <clokep_work> One step at a time. 12:52:13 <flo> 2 seems a better value to me actually 12:52:25 <flo> having the window disappear from the taskbar when minimizing it is really odd 12:54:26 <clokep_work> I was thinking that too actually, if you're specifically trying to solve "I want this to minimize instead of close" then 2 makes more sense. 12:55:02 <flo> 3 is probably more pleasant to use, but more surprising for people who don't know the feature 12:57:15 <clokep_work> flo: Check it in w/ whatever you feel best and we'll see how many nightly testers complain? :-D 12:57:39 <clokep_work> Although I don't think our nightly testers are a good slice of the general population. That mystical "user" we talk about. 12:58:37 <flo> I would like to test the GTK version too before pushing it ;) 13:00:02 <clokep_work> Aren't Linux users used to unstable things? :P 13:00:25 <flo> you forgot they are also Instantbird users ;) 13:01:23 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:01:30 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 13:03:45 <clokep_work> Fair enough. 13:04:15 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 13:05:28 --> flo has joined #instantbird 13:05:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 13:09:01 <clokep_work> So string bundles...I hate them...I don't understand how they work. :P I'm trying to add one in an overlay and always get errors that it doesn't exist. :( 13:09:18 <flo> you are doing it wrong then :-P 13:09:27 <flo> pastebin the code? :) 13:09:52 <clokep_work> I forgot to pastebin it this morning. :( 13:10:00 <clokep_work> One second though. 13:10:07 <clokep_work> I can recreate it... 13:10:51 <-- jdt has left #instantbird () 13:11:06 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 13:11:25 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 13:12:47 <clokep_work> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/630 13:14:05 <flo> I don't think stringbundle can be placed inside a "page" element 13:14:22 <flo> MDC says "Stringbundles should be placed inside a stringbundleset element." 13:14:35 <clokep_work> I placed it outside (in just the overlay) and it wasn't working also, but I think it worked in the past? 13:14:40 <clokep_work> Hmm...maybe that's my issue. :-D 13:15:00 <flo> but we have them in several places outside of strinbundleset elements 13:15:17 <flo> it's possible they work only when being a direct child of a window/dialog/... element 13:16:02 <clokep_work> Alright. :-/ 13:17:11 <flo> "Stringbundles should be placed inside a stringbundleset element." for something in the overlay to end up in the overlaid document, it needs to have an id that already exists in the document (if you want to add attributes to that existing element), or do be a child of an element (identified by its id) that already exists 13:17:16 <flo> arg 13:17:32 <flo> I meant to quote "I placed it outside (in just the overlay) and it wasn't working also" here 13:17:46 <flo> I should really fix bug 693 :( 13:17:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Copy paste failures in conversation history 13:19:04 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. so I have to specifically overlay it into the bundleset. :) Hopefully there is one in the document I'm overlaying haha. 13:19:39 <clokep_work> Is that relatively "trivial"? 13:21:22 <flo> if we know which approach we want to follow, it can be trivial 13:29:27 <flo> "added 31949 changesets with 135771 changes to 33445 files" ahem... I guess my latest linux build in that VM was a loooong time ago :) 13:30:20 <clokep_work> Do we have number of unread messages on the dock icon? (Re: #developers) 13:31:05 <flo> we have had it for a long time 13:31:13 <flo> we copied the Thunderbird code for it 13:31:17 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. :) 13:37:12 <clokep_work> I believe it's light blue and light red, no? ;0 13:37:12 <clokep_work> ;) 13:37:39 <flo> yeah 13:40:07 <clokep_work> I'm secretly hoping he comes up with a great way to fix thta bug and we can steal it. :-D 13:40:40 <clokep_work> (I had sent him an email about bug 712, since BlueGriffon also has it.) 13:40:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 13:40:59 <flo> I guessed that ;) 13:43:38 <clokep_work> Although I'm like 60% of the way there...so if I get the stringbundles working it should pretty much be done, with a few tweaks. 14:29:35 <flo> uh, how come the hard disk of my laptop is full? 14:34:23 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 14:40:32 <clokep_work> Well you know, 31949 changestes is a lot. :) 14:41:39 <flo> /me just typed "rm firefox-3.6 *" instead of "rm firefox-3.6*" while cleaning up the download folder :-S 15:20:30 <clokep_work> This is interesting: http://code.google.com/p/skype4pidgin/issues/detail?id=57#c9 apparently he got into the SkypeKit beta? 15:24:57 <flo> I've just included "buddy" elements in the contact tooltips. It's completely unintended but they show with a CSS transition and it's beautiful :). 15:26:37 <clokep_work> That's awesome when stuff like that works out. :) 15:28:26 <flo> 92 minutes later, my linux build is finished almost when I've got to go... 15:28:34 <flo> building in VMs is definitely slow :( 15:30:28 * clokep_work really needs to start developing off of built builds instead of unzipped nightlies. 15:35:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 578 to bug 151. 15:35:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151 enh, --, 0.3, nobody, NEW, Create a Tray Icon. SINGLE-click on tray icon opens and closes Instantbird. 15:35:56 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 15:38:03 <clokep_work> Does interdiff not work on ibo? 15:40:15 <-- kaie has quit (Quit: Leaving) 15:40:17 <flo> I thought I filed a bug for that 15:40:20 <flo> at some point 15:40:27 <flo> but maybe it was an email in Even's inbox 15:44:46 <clokep_work> Hmm...idk. 15:46:17 <flo> ok, it works on Linux too :) 15:46:39 <flo> and I'm really late :) 15:46:44 <flo> back this evening 15:46:46 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 16:00:14 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 16:18:36 <waynenguyen> It seems that Yahoo only store the password of users who enable "Remember my ID and password" before log in to Yahoo. The rest are stored online. :-? How can I find them, any idea :D 16:26:36 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 16:27:57 <clokep_work> waynenguyen: If the password isn't stored then you shouldn't need to worry about trying to find it. 16:28:40 <waynenguyen> Then I think it should prompt them for the password. 16:28:50 <waynenguyen> Thanks clokep. 16:28:58 <clokep_work> Probably something like that, yes. :) 16:29:20 <clokep_work> waynenguyen: If you make an account w/o a password, how does Instantbird handle that? Does it prompt every time or just not connect? 16:29:41 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 16:30:57 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 17:05:31 --> micahg_ has joined #instantbird 17:09:52 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 17:11:23 <-- micahg_ has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 17:12:05 --> micahg_ has joined #instantbird 17:14:56 <waynenguyen> what do you mean by prompt every time, clokep_work? 17:14:57 --> micahg__ has joined #instantbird 17:15:24 <waynenguyen> Because the it just appears during the installation of Instantbird, I think 17:18:31 <waynenguyen> And if there's no password available, maybe I will prompt them for the password, and import it just as import a new account. 17:21:44 <-- clokep_work has quit (Connection timed out) 17:23:05 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 17:23:05 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 17:24:06 <clokep_work> waynenguyen: I meant if you set up an account in Instantbird normally, and don't give it a password. What happens when you try to connect? 17:24:59 <-- micahg__ has quit (Quit: Leaving) 17:25:36 <waynenguyen> It will say "A password is required to connect"? 17:25:41 <clokep_work> OK. 17:33:44 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 17:41:52 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:55:10 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 18:08:27 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 18:09:33 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 18:17:57 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 18:29:07 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 18:30:05 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 18:33:13 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 19:12:25 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 19:16:02 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:23:17 --> waynenguyen1 has joined #instantbird 19:24:02 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 19:24:10 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 19:24:57 <-- waynenguyen1 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:28:42 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 19:31:56 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 19:49:19 <-- Tonnes has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224]) 20:02:06 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 20:04:08 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 20:28:14 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:31:30 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 21:04:36 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 21:04:45 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:04:45 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:05:50 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 21:10:19 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 21:12:58 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 21:15:13 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 21:16:45 <-- kaie has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:27:12 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 21:32:48 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 21:33:10 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:33:10 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:53:25 <clokep> /me has most of bug 712 fixed. 21:53:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 21:53:37 <clokep> Just need to add the icon I think. 21:57:13 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 21:59:16 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:01:11 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 22:03:26 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 22:03:33 <clokep> flo: You have a minute to answer a few questions? 22:03:52 <flo> yes 22:04:04 <clokep> There's an icon that goes with the notification bar, there's one for qute, pinstripe, winstripe... 22:04:08 <clokep> Where should I put those? :-D 22:04:36 <clokep> instantbird/themes/icons/ and just rename them to be -qute, -pinstripe, -gnomestripe or whatever? 22:04:44 <clokep> Since our themes aren't totally separate. 22:07:04 <flo> is the icon really different on the 3 OSes? 22:07:25 <flo> if it is, just add winstripe/pinstripe/gnomestripe at the end of the file name :) 22:07:40 <clokep> Uhh... 22:08:08 <clokep> they're different. :) http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/find?string=update.png&tree=comm-central&hint= 22:10:45 <flo> I asked that question because I wasted some time recently copying the 3 files for an icon from the 3 versions of the theme to finally notice when I was ready to push the 3 that they had the same md5 ;) 22:11:10 <clokep> :) 22:11:26 <clokep> flo: Should I actually be stealing the Firefox icons since the rest of the addons manager is the Fx 4 theme? 22:11:44 <flo> why not? :) 22:13:25 <clokep> Bleh. I can't even find the icon. 22:14:22 <clokep> I can't even find the area it's used in! hahah. 22:15:08 <clokep> Found it. :) 22:16:50 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 22:18:26 --> wesj1 has joined #instantbird 22:18:31 <-- wesj has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 22:19:24 <clokep> Ah the file I need is in toolkit. :)) Yay. 22:27:06 <flo> that simplifies the packaging ;) 22:28:49 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 22:29:47 <clokep> Yes. :) 22:30:01 <clokep> I'm having some stupid issue though where I'm changing menus.js and it doesn't seem to be taking while I test. 22:30:07 <clokep> (No changes to the file seem to be going through?) 22:31:31 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:34:43 <clokep> Any ideas flo? :-D 22:35:41 <flo> forgot to use the -purgecaches flag maybe? 22:36:18 <clokep> Yup, that was it. :) I didn't realize it cached XUL files like that. 22:36:28 <clokep> One last question...what sort of default size do I put on this window? :-/ 22:36:38 <clokep> (And then this bug is done btw.) 22:37:00 <flo> what's the current default size? 22:37:17 <clokep> I can't seem to find it. 22:37:21 <flo> it's done well enough that I don't even have to review it? :) 22:37:27 <clokep> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/content/extensions.xul doesn't give one, now does the style sheet? 22:37:30 <clokep> *neither does 22:37:37 <clokep> flo: Haha, I think you'll want to look over it. :) 22:37:51 <flo> /me is disappointed ;) 22:38:26 <flo> will that window have menus on Mac? :) 22:39:16 <clokep> I have no idea how this is going to look on Mac. :-D 22:40:46 <flo> when I open the current add-on manager window and look at the size of the page element in DOMi, I have width 913px, height 726px 22:41:11 <flo> that's probably not good values thoguh 22:41:13 <flo> *though 22:41:26 <clokep> Is that some percentage of your screen? :) 22:44:05 <flo> no idea :) 22:46:50 <clokep> Great. :P 22:50:05 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 579 to bug 712. 22:50:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 579 on bug 712. 22:50:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 22:57:11 <flo> I have a patch for that "Extend the contact tooltips to show the list of buddies " point of the roadmap 22:58:13 <clokep> Sweet. 22:58:51 <flo> clokep: what's that autocompletepopup="PopupAutoComplete" thing for? 22:59:09 <clokep> Oh, did that end up in there? 22:59:18 <clokep> It was part of the Thunderbird code, but I don't actually think it's important. 23:00:36 <flo> do you really want to preserve the messenger.properties name? It seems extensions.properties would make more sense here 23:01:02 <flo> what's the vbox around the notification box for? 23:01:05 <clokep> Didn't make a difference to me, I can rename it. 23:01:40 <clokep> Hmm...I guess the notificationbox has a flex on it too so it'll be OK. 23:02:36 <clokep> I have to get going though. 23:02:46 <clokep> Another other comments in the bug. :) 23:02:47 <clokep> Goodnight. 23:02:51 <clokep> *Any other 23:03:46 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 23:13:38 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 23:13:56 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 23:15:01 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:34:00 --> zachlr has joined #instantbird 23:34:20 <-- micahg_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23:37:24 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 23:37:27 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:41:32 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 23:48:30 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 151 to FIXED. 23:48:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151 enh, --, 0.3a2, florian, RESO FIXED, Create a Tray Icon. SINGLE-click on tray icon opens and closes Instantbird. 23:52:22 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/6347dc5e6414 - Florian Quèze - Show the list of buddies in contact tooltips for contacts composed of several buddies. 23:52:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dc42590bc3b3 - Florian Quèze - Bug 460 - Simplify some window titles. 23:52:24 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/26e8020088e0 - Florian Quèze - Bug 151 - Minimize the contacts window to the system tray instead of exiting the application (Windows and Linux).