#instantbird log on 03 26 2011

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02:07:02 <clokep> Hey Mook, so in terms of logging I think we'll need some serious stress testing. :) Luckily I think we're planning to convert the logs so we'll automatically have people w/ huge amounts of logs.
02:07:27 <Mook> heh, hopefully that's enough
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02:10:40 <clokep> Hopefully. :) We'll probably need to split out really old obsolete logs somehow, but it shouldn't be too difficult.
02:55:52 <Mook> I reserve judgement of difficulty until it has been implemented and tested :p
02:56:12 * clokep shotties not implementing it.
02:56:55 <clokep> I wonder if any IM program has decent logs that aren't just plaintext ghouh.
02:57:31 <clokep> I feel like adium had a log format in a database but I don't remember.
03:03:37 <clokep> Oh Adium has some XMl format they tried to formalize.
03:03:40 <clokep> Gross. :(
03:07:43 <Mook> oh, will we get an instantbird 0.
03:08:03 <Mook> err, 0.3a1,1 to cover the ssl mess? login.yahoo.com is in there...
03:08:12 <Mook> but I guess that's not even using the mozilla stack?
03:09:39 <clokep> It's using the libpurple stack to connect...I'm pretty sure that libpurple would do the SSL verification, etc.
03:09:54 <Mook> sure, but which ssl stack?
03:10:00 <clokep> Does yahoo even use SSL? (o_O)
03:10:17 <clokep> I think the libpurple stack, i tincludes all it's own socket code, etc.
03:10:21 <Mook> (the problem is that a real CA screwed up and got certs out that are fake)
03:10:51 <clokep> I think we'd have to wait for an upgrade libpurple...which I haven't heard anything about on the mailing list?
03:11:11 <clokep> They're pretty focused on 2.8 / 3.0 now (forward progress good!), but I don't know about security releases.
03:11:12 <Mook> ah, okay
03:11:31 <clokep> But flo would definitely know better than me.
03:11:40 <clokep> I think he's hoping to release a 0.3a2 when the contact code lands.
03:11:53 <clokep> Well finishes landing...
03:12:21 <Mook> now I feel bad about not spending time on the /invite bit :|
03:13:25 <clokep> It's fine. :) We were wondering whether you were waiting for a decision from us or ran out of time (since you just started at AS).
03:13:42 <Mook> I need to clean up the patch, so mostly out of time
03:14:02 <clokep> Ah OK.
03:14:12 <Mook> (it's not a major amount of cleaning up, since it still doesn't address the UI problems...)
03:14:16 <clokep> I know no one has really come up with a good UI for invites either. :-/
03:14:41 <Mook> at this point, I'd just aim for "get the backend in, don't actually expose UI, do that in an extension"
03:14:44 <clokep> Yeah. Maybe I'll try to get flo to think about it soon so there's at least a goal to point toward.
03:14:57 <clokep> (in terms of the UI I mean)
03:15:29 <Mook> yeah, I figure that the UI bit is controversial enough that we might be able to go for a few extensions to compete for now to bake :)
03:15:52 <Mook> then we can actually see what works and what doesn't, by actually using them
03:16:12 <Mook> then after everything's agreed, merge the best one in
03:17:31 <clokep> That sounds like a good idea. :)
03:18:02 <Mook> I can be useful in generating ideas that sound good at first glance then not implementing them! :p
03:19:26 <clokep> That's how we all seem to be sometimes. :)
03:21:33 * clokep should really figure out this mess w/ the add-on manager.
03:24:11 <clokep> Mook: Am I allowed to ask you AS questions? :P How do I set a file to be UTF-8?
03:24:57 <clokep> Ah I foudn it. That random "current file settings menu" which never seems to inherit from my default file settings. :(
03:26:11 <Mook> yes, you're quite welcome to ask; even better if you answer too ;)
03:26:31 <Mook> (if you want to ask more involved questions, #komodo is the on-topic channel)
03:26:45 <clokep> Yeah, I'm alway sin it with the other like 7 people that idle there. :)
03:26:52 <Mook> ... oh, right :)
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03:27:38 <clokep> Yay....I got to a point where it works at least. :)
03:40:12 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 572 to bug 712.
03:40:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on
03:41:03 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 573 to bug 712.
03:41:07 * clokep always thinks someone has pinged him when he uploads stuff.
03:56:13 <clokep> That bug 712 might be applicable if you guys update to moz 2.0, idk what you're on now.
03:56:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on
04:02:22 <Mook> ah, yes, it would be, thanks
04:02:47 <clokep> Although you guys actually use a tab system which should help. :-/
04:03:06 <Mook> might need to move about:addons into it though
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13:52:35 <flo> clokep: I removed the libpurple code checking the SSL certificates because we make libpurple use NSS initialized by Mozilla, so the NSS we give to libpurple already has access to the Mozilla pool of certificates.
13:52:54 <clokep> Oh, OK.
13:53:06 <clokep> Really that should be directed to Mook. ;)
13:53:20 <clokep> Oh right libpurple uses NSS anyway, right?
13:53:58 * clokep wishes he could just move all buddies from one group to another group sometimes.
13:55:29 <flo> libpurple has a plugin system for SSL plugins, and it can be built with either support for NSS or gnutls.
13:55:50 <flo> I statically linked into libpurple the libpurple NSS plugin, as we are sure it will always be there :)
13:55:59 <clokep> :)
13:56:16 <clokep> I believe the original question was are we going to release a security update. ;)
13:56:40 <flo> is there a real need for it?
13:57:00 <clokep> I have no idea. I don't really understand the underlying issues / haven't read about them.
13:57:26 <clokep> (Also unrelated....if I delete all the buddies in a group...will that group be deleted at some point?)
13:57:39 <flo> no
13:57:46 <flo> groups are (currently) never deleted
13:57:58 * clokep goes to file a bug.
13:58:05 <clokep> Or maybe....goes to get sqliteexplorer. ;)
13:58:06 <flo> but you won't see it in the contact list anymore
13:58:20 <flo> it will just be in the "move to" context menu
13:58:33 <clokep> Right.
13:59:45 <igorko> it's not a bug- it's "feature" ;)
14:00:21 <flo> dataloss prevention ;)
14:00:57 <clokep> I guess all that will be different once tags are handled anyone so I won't worry about it much.
14:18:48 <clokep> So sometimes when I move buddies...they don't move to another group...and if I do move again I get http://pastebin.instantbird.com/613
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14:36:40 <flo> clokep: that's interesting. I throw that exception when something is about to cause the blist.sqlite corruption someone here had a while ago
14:36:58 <flo> I thought I added a safety check earlier in the code though :-/
14:37:11 <clokep> I think the issue is that the buddy isn't being moved properly?
14:37:25 <clokep> Also I emailed glazou about bug 712, the same issue occurs in BlueGriffon.
14:37:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on
14:37:47 <flo> ok
14:38:00 <flo> there's definitely a bug causing the error you pasted
14:38:18 <flo> it would be interesting to have steps to reproduce. Which protocol was this on?
14:38:29 <clokep> AIM.
14:38:49 <clokep> So I emptied one of my groups into another group.
14:38:49 <flo> ok
14:38:58 <clokep> There's one buddy that failed to move properly.
14:39:08 <clokep> But is now in both groups.
14:39:15 <clokep> SO I tried moving it again and got that error.
14:39:36 <flo> is it in both group, or does it only appear in both groups?
14:39:38 <clokep> If I open and close the group I get http://pastebin.instantbird.com/614
14:40:01 * flo goes away for an hour or so
14:40:22 <clokep> The error? I did try in the other group since I actually wnat it there. :P
14:40:24 <clokep> I'll try though.
14:41:10 <clokep> No error when I moved it the other direction...moved properly...trying moving again and the same thing occured.
14:41:14 <clokep> Going to restart.
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20:20:41 <Chaz6> I'm sure i'm gonna get this wrong agai..
20:20:49 <Chaz6> I merged some contacts, but now i have two copies again
20:20:55 <Chaz6> One in the merged contact, and the original
20:21:30 <Chaz6> Started with 1,2,3,4, now I have (1,2,3,4),2,3,4
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20:45:18 <flo> Chaz6: what do you mean with " (1,2,3,4),2,3,4" ? :)
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20:56:30 <Chaz6> each number is a contact, and the brackets denote a grouping
21:04:08 <flo> I would like to be able to reproduce the failure :(
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