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01:00:22 <The_Tick> so you guys could use the pidgin people moving to hg right? :)
01:01:27 <Chaz6> my personal preference is git over mercurial
01:02:14 <The_Tick> they aren't going git
01:02:30 <The_Tick> but pretend they were
01:02:36 <The_Tick> they'd still need help with the authormap
01:03:33 <clokep> The_Tick: I think flo posted his support of moving to hg on the mailing list.
01:03:38 <The_Tick> right
01:03:49 <The_Tick> they have a pretty rough task ahead to get there though
01:04:06 <The_Tick> I'm forwarding what I think on it to the adium folks, I could include one or two of you guys
01:04:13 <The_Tick> since if they move to hg you guys can pull easier
01:04:26 <clokep> Yeah, we could do a real pull.
01:04:35 <clokep> Sounds more like they "will" not really an "if".
01:04:50 <clokep> But, flo might be interested inw hat you're forwarding. :)
01:05:21 <clokep> It sounded like mostly just the author map had to be finished? ALthough idk what that really entails...
01:05:23 <The_Tick> ya, it's not an if
01:05:29 <The_Tick> there's other minor things
01:05:36 <The_Tick> but the authormap is waht I'm emailing about
01:05:42 <The_Tick> there's a ton of entries
01:05:49 <The_Tick> I think they need help
01:06:00 <clokep> OK...
01:06:17 <The_Tick> I need email addresses to add to my to: line
01:07:50 <The_Tick> I say this while watching the joseph smith southpark episode
01:08:02 <clokep> The_Tick: One second, going to PM them to you.
01:08:14 <The_Tick> great
01:08:26 <clokep> Since we log our chat we don't usually like emails in it. :)
01:09:47 <The_Tick> oh sure
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13:24:29 <waynenguyen1> Hi all, im working on the Instantbird account import wizard, can anyone give me an explanation about "the architecture to share as much code as possible between the various import modules"
13:25:26 <clokep_work> waynenguyen1: It means that we want to be able to import from lots of different clients (say Pidgin, the official MSN client and Digsby for this conversation).
13:25:47 <clokep_work> We want to be able to share code between the importers for all three of them, but of course they'll have specific code for each implementation.
13:26:16 <waynenguyen1> thank you clokep_work
13:26:28 <flo> as an example, anything used to write the data in Instantbird's profile should be shared
13:26:31 <clokep_work> That's just referring to making some sort of structure and set up to share code between the importers and abstracting some of the functionality so it can be called easily by Instantbird.
13:29:20 <clokep_work> I'm not sure how complicated it might be, but the Mozilla Sync code does this in JS. (And we do it with the libpurple/JS protocols.)
13:30:14 <waynenguyen1> thank you
13:30:26 <waynenguyen1> I think i need to research more about this :D
13:31:52 <clokep_work> Good luck. :)
13:32:05 <clokep_work> Let us know if you want to bounce ideas, etc.
13:33:07 * flo has 18 files changed, 367 insertions(+), 133 deletions(-) of local changes related to that contact stuff, and doesn't remember what's left to do before reaching a commitable state for that :-S
13:35:53 <clokep_work> Does it compile and work? ;) Commit it and throw it to the nightly testers and let them find what to do. :P
13:35:59 * clokep_work notes not to update his nightly. ;)
13:36:00 <flo> It doesn't compile :)
13:36:18 <flo> that's what I'm currently fixing actually :-D
13:37:13 <clokep_work> Good first step. :)
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13:45:25 <Chaz6> Yeah I think i'll wait too
13:45:50 <flo> wait until it's pushed to get it :-P
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14:11:20 <clokep_work> I was mostly teasing anyway, mostly out of being too lazy to shut off autmatic updates. :P
14:12:54 * flo hates debugging parse errors when there's not error message
14:20:21 <clokep_work> Like all XUL errors where it points like wayyyyyy off to the right of the screen? :)
14:20:52 <flo> those are readable in the terminal (debug builds)
14:21:24 <flo> but really, if it could have said "XPCOMUtils undefined", it would have just saved me over 10 minutes
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14:28:26 <clokep_work> Ouch. :(
14:39:15 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 570 to bug 696.
14:39:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Window/tab preview through taskbar on Windows Vista and Windows 7 (Aero Peek)
14:40:05 <flo> "ReferenceError: aSubject is not defined" could have helped too. I wish I didn't have to add a try{}catch(x){dump(x+"\n");} around the code to find it...
14:40:29 <clokep_work> Are you debugging inside a module?
14:40:43 <flo> no, a JS XPCOM component
14:40:52 <flo> in modules the errors are printed correctly I think
14:46:13 <clokep_work> Oh, you're right. :)
14:55:13 <clokep_work> Sometimes I wanted to just put a try statement around my entire IRC code. :-D
14:55:27 <clokep_work> I think Mozila has a bug abou tnot being able to debug JS XPCOM...but who knows when it was last touched.
14:56:12 <flo> another solution that I sometimes used is to add a printf in the constructor of the C++ (shutup instantbot :-P) exception object :)
14:56:13 <instantbot> c++ is evil
15:09:22 <flo> Arg, I fall in that trap in jsProtoHelper's ClassInfo implemenation: https://developer.mozilla.org/web-tech/2010/07/26/determining-with-absolute-accuracy-whether-or-not-a-javascript-object-is-an-array/
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15:13:30 <clokep_work> Does that mean we need to change stuff in jsProtoHelper or?
15:14:52 <flo> it means that test doesn't work: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/jsProtoHelper.jsm#99
15:15:06 <flo> it should be if (!Array.isArray(aInterfaces))
15:15:38 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. At least it's an easy fix. :-D
15:15:53 <flo> once the cause is understood, yes :)
15:16:01 <flo> and my code now fails a bit further
15:18:55 <flo> hmm, now the conversation window opens itself again when needed :)
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15:41:08 <Mic> Right after connecting I sometimes need two clicks on the x of the nickserv tab to close it. The first just doesn't do anything.
15:41:23 <clokep_work> No error in the console though I assume?
15:41:39 <flo> maybe a focus issue similar to the one when dragging tabs?
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15:41:48 <Mic> No, nothing ofcourse (I'm not using js-irc at the moment)
15:42:09 <Mic> ignore the brackets and put an 'and' between there
15:43:17 <clokep_work> Not using js-irc is probably a good idea right now until I get some time to dig into it again. :_D
15:43:40 <flo> now I remember what was left to do before reaching a commitable state: cleanup up when conversations are closed.
15:45:11 <Mic> "13:29:20 <clokep_work> I'm not sure how complicated it might be, but the Mozilla Sync code does this in JS."
15:45:35 <Mic> you want to look at this just for fun, I'm sure
15:45:42 <Mic> *don't
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15:46:26 <Mic> bbl
15:47:23 <clokep_work> Hahah, I certainly don't but thought it might be applicable. :)
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16:41:52 <flo> ahah, first time I have a single Instantbird conversation tab with 2 remote buddies of the same contact :)
16:42:07 <flo> (with a conversation that is displayed correctly that is... :))
16:42:12 <clokep_work> Congrats!
16:42:57 <Mic> That is .. they both send you messages which are merged into a single conversation or something like that?
16:43:05 <flo> yes
16:43:13 <flo> and my replies go to the last buddy that said something
16:43:55 <flo> and I've got to go
16:43:57 <flo> back later
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16:47:01 <Mic> That's convenient indeed for Instantbird users, I'm not sure about remote users which might end with weird logs maybe but i guess we'll see ;)
16:47:42 <clokep_work> Why would remote users end up with weird logs Mic?
16:49:22 <clokep_work> It would only change buddies if the other buddy IMs you from a new place or if the buddy you're talking to signs off but another buddy is still available.
16:49:43 <Mic> Yes, you're right
16:49:52 <Mic> It's more or less the same thing a human would do anyways
16:50:23 <clokep_work> The only time I could see it being an issue is if someone is having a crappy connection.
16:50:35 <clokep_work> And one protocol can handle it better, but it's not the one you're on.
16:50:59 <clokep_work> (I.e. Facebook seems to have a really long time out, so all the other accounts go offline, Ib switches to Facebook, then all the other accounts come back online)
16:53:12 <Mic> hmm, maybe the account of the last message should take precedence when there are several accounts with the same availability
16:53:52 <clokep_work> That's how it is, but I mean if that account is now offline (but only for a brief period) and I send a message in that period.
16:54:04 <clokep_work> Of course there's no way for Ib to know the other accounts will be back online soon!
16:54:11 <clokep_work> But could bea nnoying for your friends. :)
16:55:04 * Mic just remembered good old Descent 2 (3D-space game)
16:55:46 <Mic> There was a weapon autoselection when you pick it up and you could set the order of them and also move them to a never-autoselect group
16:55:58 <clokep_work> Hahahah.
16:56:05 <clokep_work> That sounds nice, but complicated. :)
16:56:15 <clokep_work> You can order them already though -- it's the order inside the contact.
16:56:29 <Mic> You had a list of all of them and you only had to move them up or down in the list
16:56:48 <Mic> And there was a separator labelled: never autoselect
16:56:56 <clokep_work> That's how the list in the contacts work, minus the separated.
16:56:58 <clokep_work> *separator
16:56:59 <Mic> That's not so different from our UI
17:01:26 <clokep_work> :)
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17:09:58 <Mic> You're screenshot in bug 696 is even better than what I suggested
17:10:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Window/tab preview through taskbar on Windows Vista and Windows 7 (Aero Peek)
17:10:24 <clokep_work> You like? :)
17:11:21 <Mic> I was thinking about separate images for each tab, but that would be too much if you have more than a few conversation open (cf tab preview on Fx)
17:12:07 <Mic> bbl
17:12:30 <clokep_work> Yeah, I think it'd be better to just show new messages or something
17:14:39 <clokep_work> And you can cycle through them and it marks them as read once you see them?
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17:48:34 <Mic> Sounds great, but I've no idea if the framework supports this kind of taskbar integration
17:48:53 <Mic> (that's the one with the navigation buttons and so on)
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18:23:07 <Mic> Hello linuxwizard
18:23:34 <linuxwizard> hello Mic
18:28:23 <clokep_work> Mic: It does.
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18:28:56 <Mic> Yep, I figured it out myself and posted on the bug
18:29:08 <Mic> Thanks
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18:34:24 <clokep_work> :)
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20:20:24 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 571 to bug 696.
20:20:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Window/tab preview through taskbar on Windows Vista and Windows 7 (Aero Peek)
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21:07:48 <jdt> It seems that when I right-click a url  in conservation window and choose open link, nothing happens. Cannot find any similar bug in the bug list. 
21:08:27 <clokep> Works for me jdt. What OS are you on? Are there errors in the error console? What version are you running?
21:08:48 <jdt> using Ubuntu.
21:09:18 <clokep> Does left clicking work?
21:09:29 <jdt> got this error Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIExternalProtocolService.loadURI]"  nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: chrome://instantbird/content/nsContextMenu.js :: anonymous :: line 198"  data: no]
21:09:50 <jdt> left-click not working also
21:11:04 <jdt> i am using ver 0.2
21:11:22 <clokep> Hmm...I'm guessing you don't have the protocol set up properly...
21:11:28 <clokep> Tools > Options > Applications tab
21:11:43 <clokep> Idk what to really do in there -- I don't use Linux anymore. :)
21:12:02 <clokep> But you hvae to set it to use whatever you use for web browsing.
21:15:32 <jdt> in the applications tab I see a table with 3 content types : ftp ; http; https
21:15:41 <jdt> all of them are use (default)
21:16:53 <clokep> Set them to use what you want them to use.
21:17:00 <clokep> firefox or whatever.
21:17:28 <clokep> Sorry I can't be more specific. :(
21:19:46 <jdt> ok,let me try.  but  I wonder why they's not set to default web browser by default
21:22:51 <clokep> Other people have had that issue as well. I'm not sure if it's an Instantbird problem or a Linux issue.
21:24:54 <jdt> thank you a lot, clokep.
21:25:04 <clokep> Did you get it working? :)
21:28:34 <jdt> yes. It works
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21:31:13 <clokep> Good. :)
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21:39:44 <Mic> I think we had this protocol handler problem for a while but I think it was fixed one day
21:40:29 <clokep> Maybe it's fixed in Moz 2?
21:40:31 <Mic> Was Linux specific iirc
21:40:51 <Mic> No, I think we added ftp/http/https by default one day?
21:41:40 <clokep> Idk.
21:42:51 <Mic> hmm,..
21:42:57 <Mic> Checked in 18 month ago ...
21:43:00 <Mic> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/253aa04474ba
21:43:53 <clokep> Probably an issue with ubuntu not properly setting the defaults then.
21:44:13 <Mic> I think the problem persisted with profiles created earlier than that and was fixed for new ones?
21:45:30 <Mic> Come on, it's Linux.. who's *clicking* links there? I mean you need to use the mouse for *that*
21:45:38 <Mic> scnr
21:49:30 <Mic> Most likely you are right that it is just an Ubuntu problem, the entries shouldn't be there at all if it were a profile older than this check-in
21:50:05 <jdt> sorry but I do not fully understand :( 
21:50:50 <jdt> nvm, no need to explain to me :)
21:52:56 <clokep> Mic: Is there anyway to know if an overlay is loading?
21:55:16 <Mic> Give me a moment
21:57:08 <clokep> I always hate that testing stuff and like setting up what I'm trying to fix  takes longer than actually fixing it. :(
21:57:35 <Mic> yes :(
21:58:42 <Mic> Haven't found anything
21:59:25 <clokep> Alright....http://pastebin.instantbird.com/611 that look OK?
22:01:27 <Mic> I'm not sure if you can overlay about: pages
22:01:34 <Mic> (like this)
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22:05:05 <clokep> Scriptish does it.
22:05:12 <clokep> Doesn't work if I remove it anyway. :)
22:05:38 <clokep> I just wish I knew it was even loading, etc.
22:06:11 <Mic> Can you put a script into your file and write to the console if you load?
22:06:45 <Mic> I found another example that does it with 'style'-overlays, so it seems to work somehow
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22:08:03 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/612 Top part is my xul file and bottom part is my js file.
22:08:04 <Mic> Is it an extension or in normal code?
22:08:07 <clokep> I probably have a path wrong. :-/
22:08:14 <clokep> I'm modifying my unpacked code.
22:08:55 <Mic> Could it be that you missed a /content/ on the path to your own file?
22:09:54 <clokep> Possibly.
22:10:03 <clokep> I never know when to add that, etc.
22:10:31 <clokep> I'll need to ask flo. :(
22:13:36 <Mic> In manifests when you define something like |content *instantbird* file:blabla| it will be accessed via |chrome://instantbird/content/blabla..|
22:14:15 <clokep> Hmm...I see.
22:14:16 <Mic> If you define a |skin| for instantbird, it will end in |chrome://instantbird/skin/|
22:14:44 <clokep> Resource doesn't add that though, weird.
22:16:16 <Mic> I've never really used resource-urls
22:17:20 <clokep> Mmhmm.
22:17:28 <clokep> You're right, it should definitely have the content.
22:17:51 <Mic> ah, that's because you access resources with a different scheme
22:17:56 <Mic> (I guess)
22:18:17 <Mic> You just don't need to distinguish in the path, because you do in the scheme
22:18:17 <clokep> I got it to work.
22:18:26 <clokep> overlay chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul?type=extensions chrome://instantbird/content/extensions.xul
22:18:37 <clokep> Is the proper line since we always call it with ?type=extensions apparently?
22:19:39 * clokep thinks we should open about:addons instead....
22:19:43 <Mic> What other types are there
22:19:52 <clokep> You can open to theme panel, ec.
22:19:53 <clokep> *etc
22:20:32 <Mic> In which case the overlay wouldn't get loaded because the path doesn't match (if the ?type part is matched at all?!)
22:21:30 <Mic> You're fixing the bug with the missing feedback when installs fail?
22:22:15 <clokep> Yes.
22:22:34 <clokep> And yes the overlay won't load because that part doesn't match, I'm not sure if I can add a wildcard or something. :-/
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22:22:47 <clokep> Maybe flo will know. ;)
22:23:05 <clokep> But for now it'll work and I can write the code at least.
22:23:26 <Mic> Ah, that's unfortunate
22:24:08 * flo reads the log
22:24:49 * Mic wonders if flo also has a radar for some conversation
22:29:30 <flo> Mic: :)
22:29:53 <flo> clokep: do you really need the ?type=extensions at the end for it to work?
22:30:13 <clokep> Do I need it on what to get what to work? :-D
22:30:25 <clokep> I need it on the overlay it seems yes.
22:30:37 <clokep> And we need it when we open the link or else it opens to the search page...which doesn't work.
22:30:46 <clokep> (If we open about:addons it opens to extension though)
22:31:00 <flo> in the overlay line in the manifest file
22:31:12 <clokep> It doesn't seem to work without it. :(
22:31:19 <flo> that's surprising :-S
22:31:46 <flo> I would expect the overlay to apply on the file, not on the URL pointing to the file
22:32:20 <clokep> I agree.
22:36:36 <clokep> I'm not gonna worry about it yet.
22:36:44 <clokep> But before check-in I'll have to ask in developers, etc.
22:36:48 <Mic> Good night
22:37:36 <flo> Mic: good night :)
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23:03:14 <clokep> flo: If I add an element via an overlay I should be able to get it via document.getElementById, correct?
23:04:51 <flo> yes
23:17:01 <clokep> Hmmm.... OK
23:17:22 <clokep> I'm getting null...aka doing something wrong
23:30:21 <flo> Good night
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