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00:04:35 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 00:05:06 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 00:05:27 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 00:21:48 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 00:22:41 <clokep> flo: So I create a new imIAccountBuddy with addBuddy (from purpleIAccount)...but how can I get to the underlying imIBuddy that is created from that? I can't seem to find anyway to load that buddy or account? :-/ 00:23:03 <clokep> Oh. Nevermind...I can it from the contacts service it seems. 00:23:21 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 00:25:51 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 00:33:59 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 00:34:03 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:34:03 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 00:43:05 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 01:00:45 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 01:02:33 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 01:03:25 --> Even has joined #instantbird 01:03:25 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 01:29:23 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 01:30:31 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 736 filed by sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk. 01:30:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Provide ability to collect usage data 01:35:38 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 02:10:44 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 02:16:43 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 02:39:18 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 02:43:32 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 02:53:17 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:53:20 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 03:12:59 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 03:16:46 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 03:38:38 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 04:20:59 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-xr [XULRunner 2.0b13pre/20110304030406]) 06:33:48 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 06:36:11 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 07:21:08 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 08:20:52 --> flo has joined #instantbird 08:20:52 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:00:28 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 09:11:12 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 09:16:25 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 09:16:31 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 09:18:34 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 09:20:19 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 09:20:51 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 09:22:22 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 09:22:29 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 09:22:34 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: igorko) 09:28:32 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 09:31:38 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 09:36:44 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 09:48:22 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:48:22 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:51:22 <Mic> Even: do you have an idea how many people are using Instantbird on Windows XP? 09:51:46 <Mic> My addon-stats on AIO weren't really helpful, it doesn't differentiate between the different Win NT based system there 09:56:25 <Mic> flo, clokep: I'd like to have an idea how many people would be affected by Windows Vista/7 icon files which aren't compatible with Windows XP (see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549468, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600556 ) 10:16:26 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:16:26 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:24:22 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 737 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 10:24:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Extended Jump List support 10:28:10 <-- rikki1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 10:33:30 <Mic> clokep: I guess you've seen this already? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526697 10:34:52 <clokep> Mic: No I haven't. 10:35:42 <Mic> That's the problem I saw with your jump list extension 10:35:51 <Mic> Fx-edition ;) 10:37:34 <clokep> Ah, I see. 10:41:33 <clokep> I'mhaving this bug which bothers me. :P https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577867 10:42:27 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 738 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 10:42:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Windows 7 support for overlay icons on the task bar 10:46:01 <clokep> Filing all the random bugs that we've talked about but never filed? :) 10:46:34 <Mic> Sort of .. it's day of the bugspam today, didn't you know? ;) 10:48:18 <clokep> I'll be sure to check my email frequently. :P 10:49:04 <clokep> Alright i Need to get to work. :) 10:49:05 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 10:59:09 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 11:00:06 --> Wolfy|Sajber has joined #instantbird 11:02:29 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 11:05:38 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 11:36:51 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 11:38:24 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 11:47:23 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:47:24 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:56:55 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 12:09:29 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 12:12:13 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:12:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 12:13:45 <clokep_work> Are we staying on mozilla-central for nightly builds? Still closed now...but seems like once it opens a LOT of stuff is going to land very quickly...could get unstable real quick. 12:30:04 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 12:36:39 --> kaie2 has joined #instantbird 12:37:22 <-- kaie has quit (Ping timeout) 12:37:23 * kaie2 is now known as kaie 12:46:03 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 13:26:14 <sabret00the> We're meant to be not sure how it'll go. they're landing stuff on a cedar branch at the moment, so I imagine the stability will remain 13:26:56 <clokep_work> Right because m-c is still closed and they wanted to start merging stuff. But once it opens up again. 13:34:29 <clokep_work> http://people.mozilla.com/~sayrer/2011/temp/process.html has more information about what might eventually be the release process...so m-c is still the unstable bit. 13:44:54 <-- Wolfy|Sajber has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 13:54:04 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 14:05:00 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 14:05:07 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:08:07 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 14:19:20 <-- mokush has quit (Ping timeout) 14:51:47 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 15:17:41 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 15:18:08 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 15:47:51 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 16:19:35 <-- sonny has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:22:42 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 16:41:10 <-- sabret00the has quit (Quit: Leaving) 16:44:38 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:44:58 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 16:46:58 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 16:50:01 <-- waynenguyen has left #instantbird () 16:52:00 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:52:31 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 16:59:03 <sabret00the> I really do hope that IB never becomes another pidgin. It's just not progressed in years, no UI tweaks or advancements whatsoever. It's a real shame, though I suppose that's what forced me to take a closer look at IB. I wanted a modern IM client. Hopefully by the end of the year IB will be on par with Pidgin and Trillian. 16:59:19 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 16:59:43 <clokep_work> What's missing from Instantbird that's not in Pidgin and Trillian?! That people actually use. :P 17:02:10 <sabret00the> privacy options for one 17:02:41 <clokep_work> I don't know what you mean by that. 17:03:15 <sabret00the> on instantbird i'll be spammed by bots. on pidgin my privacy options prevent that. thus IB is unusable as a full time client for me 17:04:47 <sabret00the> flo feels it's going to be a huge project to get the privacy options in which is a shame. (that was discussed briefly in bug 705) 17:04:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide UI to block users 17:05:10 <clokep_work> So work on it yourself then, I'm sure he'll accept patches and such. :) 17:05:58 <sabret00the> I have a huge learning curve ahead of me for such a thing, though I'm hoping for more time to work on patches soon 17:06:50 <clokep_work> Well fel free to ask any questions, anyone will be willing to share knowledge 17:07:21 <sabret00the> the only other things that stop me from using IB full time and treating it like an adult client is the lack of alerts (mail notifications) and also that the UI is dated. 17:08:05 <sabret00the> Yup, I definitely wont' be shy to ask for help. The community spirit in this project is astounding. 17:09:54 --> zachlr has joined #instantbird 17:12:39 <clokep_work> UI is dated? I think it's much more up to date than Pidgin. 17:14:51 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 17:17:29 <clokep_work> I think a few bits need to be updated, but most IM clients are horribly out of date in that aspect. :( 17:17:45 <clokep_work> Anyway, back to work for now. Let me know when you want to start looking into things. :P 17:28:25 <sabret00the> Neither of the UI's are up to date. They both look like they belong on 98 rather than Windows 7 17:28:48 <sabret00the> Will do. Enjoy your afternoons work. 17:29:08 <-- sabret00the has quit (Quit: Leaving) 17:32:53 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 17:38:51 <clokep_work> I agree, although Instantbird at least looks native. :) It doesn't quite look like it's from Win98, Pidign really does. :-/ Personally I'd love for someone to look into adding some glass to the buddy list/ conversation window, but haven't had time to look into it. 18:02:50 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:04:13 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 18:20:13 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:20:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 18:21:28 <Mic> Good evening 18:22:00 <clokep_work> Howdy Mic. 18:22:27 <sabret00the> Hey Mic 18:23:44 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 18:23:54 <clokep_work> I didn't realize there was a mozilla bug about that icon overlays, thanks for finding that. :) 18:24:02 <-- Mic2 has left #instantbird () 18:24:08 <sabret00the> I don't think it particularly needs glass, but it definitely needs a shift from the old style gradients and needs to drop the menu bars, that's for sure 18:24:49 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 18:25:05 <Mic> We have bugs for both 18:25:36 <sabret00the> oh we definitely have bugs for both. I even had the extension for the menu button installed, but it was a way off. 18:25:57 <Mic> Way off in what sense? 18:26:12 <clokep_work> Works well for me...when it works. :-D 18:26:26 <sabret00the> haha, it's mispoisioning is one of the major problems 18:26:45 <Mic> shifted to the right? 18:27:07 <sabret00the> yup, it should be closer to the left edge. 18:27:08 <Mic> I remember Mook saying that he wanted that space since you can double click to close the application (cf Explorer) 18:27:15 <clokep_work> Yes, Mook did that on purpose. 18:28:00 <sabret00the> That's just silly. It seems out of place and moving right 100 pixels isn't going to kill anyone 18:29:37 <clokep_work> "he wanted that space since you can double click to close the application (cf Explorer)" 18:29:51 <clokep_work> You could always fork it and change it. ;) 18:30:35 <Mic> haha 18:30:50 * Mic got rounded menus with glass look 18:30:55 <Mic> Seems I did something wrong 18:31:14 <clokep_work> Working on the glass bug? :-D 18:31:33 <Mic> No, not seriously 18:31:42 <sabret00the> What we need is the UI changes decided on and signed off on that way there's no need to fork and we all know what direction we're going in. 18:31:48 <Mic> I only wanted to see what happens if I set moz-appearance to borderless glass 18:31:48 <clokep_work> Oh, I mean the tabs part is just copying from Firefox. 18:32:10 <Mic> * { ...; } seemed a bit greedy as rule :D 18:32:26 <clokep_work> Hahah, ya think? 18:32:51 <clokep_work> sabret00the: Sure, but extensions are usually made for people to do something specific that they want...so forking one isn't really an issue...? 18:33:14 <sabret00the> true, i'll have to have a look at the code of the extension 18:35:00 <clokep_work> We should relatively easily be able to transition his code from into core I think. Although Idk if we want to use an overlay or what for it. 18:35:37 <clokep_work> It's been on my TODO list. 18:35:40 <sabret00the> also one thing i think we should do (which is likely to upset some people) is create a minimum width for he buddy list. users that require smaller buddy lists should change a pref or install an extension. 18:35:59 <clokep_work> What difference does it make? 18:37:09 <clokep_work> I mean what effect does it have on us if people make it really tiny? 18:39:49 <sabret00the> because what will we do with an application button? do we shrink it or will it have been presented at minimum width? 18:40:43 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 18:40:56 <clokep_work> What does Firefox do? :-D 18:41:38 <clokep_work> Office just has the menu stuff disappear if it gets too small. 18:42:13 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:42:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 18:42:25 <clokep_work> (Just for reference.) 18:42:49 <clokep_work> I'd say that we can either have it disappear or just have it crop out of the way if it "hits" the window controls. 18:43:03 <sabret00the> Firefox doesn't shrink, it simply overlays the button over the window controls 18:43:26 <clokep_work> Bleh that's messy. 18:43:39 <clokep_work> The OS UI should take precendence IMO. 18:43:45 <clokep_work> But that's an implementation issue, not a design issue. 18:44:33 <sabret00the> In my opinon, we should just limit how small the window can get in order to save ourselves a headache and maintain usability at the lowest level. 18:44:48 <sabret00the> BTW in regards to Instantbird extensions, is there no 0.3.* 18:45:03 <clokep_work> That's fine, regardless it's an implementation issue, not a design issue. 18:45:15 <clokep_work> On the website? No there's no 0.3.* since 0.3 isn't released yet. 18:46:53 * clokep_work is going to work on making a menu as a patch tonight. 18:47:15 <Mic> Glass ftw! 18:47:44 <clokep_work> You sohuld post whatever you have to the bug if you're not going to do more work on that. ;) 18:47:47 <clokep_work> Does it look good? 18:47:48 <Mic> I made the menu bar and status message area have glass look :) 18:49:15 <clokep_work> Sweet. :) 18:49:35 <Mic> The important thing is to unset the background 8color) 18:49:37 <Mic> (color) 18:49:50 <clokep_work> Ah, interesting. 18:49:53 <Mic> and apply -moz-appearance: - ... blabla-glass 18:49:54 <clokep_work> So it gets the color from the theme? 18:51:59 * clokep_work would like to see a screenshot and/or code. :-D 18:52:05 <Mic> yes, yes, yes 18:54:58 <clokep_work> :) 18:57:18 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 569 to bug 620. 18:57:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Maybe Instantbird could look nicer using Glass on Windows Vista and 7 18:58:43 <clokep_work> Mic you didn't say you made the whole buddy list glass! :P 18:58:54 <Mic> That's something I changed later 18:59:02 <Mic> Doesn't look so bad eitehr, i think 18:59:09 <Mic> *either, I think 19:00:20 <Mic> Anyone interested in changing the necessary parts now that the basic problem is solved? 19:00:47 <Mic> I think tymerkaev is interested in UI stuff in general,isn't he? 19:01:18 <clokep_work> Yes, he is. Not here though. 19:01:36 <clokep_work> I might take a look at it...too. 19:01:46 <clokep_work> Themeing usually isn't my fortay though. 19:02:44 <Mic> I can do it myself as well 19:03:07 <clokep_work> You seem to have been pretty busy. :) 19:03:18 <Mic> not really, just not often onlien anymore 19:03:24 <Mic> gtg again 19:03:33 <clokep_work> That screenshot makes the tabs look old I think. :-X 19:03:51 <Mic> We should get Fx4 tabs I think 19:03:59 <Mic> They look nicer 19:04:52 <clokep_work> Mmhmm, and it should be copy & paste. 19:05:14 <Mic> Hopefully 19:05:34 <Mic> bbl 19:07:44 <clokep_work> Bye. 19:15:35 <sabret00the> haha clokep, i forked the bucktooth extension as well 19:16:08 <clokep_work> Had to change one number, right? 19:49:10 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 19:50:34 <sabret00the> had to change a few things, but it's fixed now 19:50:46 <clokep_work> You changed the color too? 19:51:11 <sabret00the> yup 19:51:19 <sabret00the> it's now the purple i proposed in the mockups 19:51:53 <clokep_work> Why purple though? Thta's not really a color we use at all is it? :P 19:52:34 <clokep_work> Not that I think there's anything wrong w/ it...but the icon is blue & green, isn't it? 19:52:36 <sabret00the> oh that was right, but i figured that at some point the logo would be redone 19:53:13 <clokep_work> Why would the logo be redone? 19:55:37 <sabret00the> I figured that at some point we'd go for something a little more striking and polished 19:56:02 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what you mean by that. 19:56:45 <sabret00the> The current logo is fine, but it lacks identity, at a glance you'd assume it was something to do with emails. IB is never going to be the first thing you think of when you see an envelope 19:59:15 <clokep_work> It just makes me think of messages really, but OK. 19:59:21 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:59:43 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 20:00:50 <sabret00the> Ah, that makes sense. See I never thought messages, all this time I've thought email. 20:01:02 <sabret00the> Here was an idea I had but never got round to finishing. http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5200/instandbirdlogobysabret.png 20:01:47 <clokep_work> That doesn't really make me think of IM more than the current one though. 20:02:04 <sabret00the> no it doesn't make you think of im 20:02:12 <-- zachlr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:02:18 <sabret00the> but does a fox make you think of browsing? 20:02:36 <clokep_work> Now it does. :P 20:02:38 <clokep_work> Brand identity. 20:03:30 <sabret00the> exactly. it took an idea and built on it. i think IB should take the same sort of route. It should build a unique ID and brand, something that can be adopted and used as a theme. 20:04:29 <clokep_work> Maybe. 20:07:32 <clokep_work> I've never really thought about it. I usually see the nightly icon anyway. ;) 20:09:34 <clokep_work> Although I guess the color is easy enough to change anyway, the rest of the menus tuff would be the difficult part. 20:11:09 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 20:14:52 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 20:15:46 <sabret00the> Yeah sadly that wasn't handled in the extension. 20:16:04 <clokep_work> What wasn't? 20:16:05 <sabret00the> And I'm with you, I only ever see the nightly logos for both minefield and instantbird 20:16:17 <sabret00the> The menu contents wasn't handled by the extension 20:16:48 <clokep_work> Oh, yeah he just stuffed it into a button. Impressive I think. :) 20:23:36 * clokep_work needs to bounce. 20:23:40 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:54:09 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 20:54:27 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 21:10:44 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 21:15:04 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:15:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:21:12 <sabret00the> Is there a version of stylish for IB. That would help me out a huge amount 21:21:28 <clokep> No. 21:21:35 <clokep> I tried porting it at one point and ran into a lot of issues. 21:32:28 <sabret00the> ah that sucks. it would've been amazing. I could've worked on some theme tweaks 21:32:53 <clokep> You could do them in userChrome.css, or do it directly in the files. :P 21:34:32 <sabret00the> True, but with the userChrome or direct changes, I need to restart every time I want to test a change. 21:34:47 <clokep> Direct changes you don't need to if you flip the right preferences. 21:34:54 <clokep> There's a way to make it reload the chrome files every time. 21:35:05 <clokep> Idk if the same works for userChrome. 21:35:16 <clokep> Or you could port Stylish. ;) 21:45:52 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:45:52 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:46:17 <flo> Good evening :) 21:48:03 * flo reads the log 21:49:40 <clokep> Hello. 21:50:33 <flo> Mic: if you really need to know which proportion of our Windows users are on XP, I can try to get some data tomorrow 21:52:23 <flo> clokep: I'm not sure we should stay on mozilla-central for nightlies. 21:52:43 <clokep> I don't think so either, just wasn't sure if you thought about it at all. :) 21:52:56 <clokep> Probably check out FIREFOX_4_0_RELEASE or whatever the tag is. 21:53:00 <flo> I don't know if Mozilla will have Firefox 5 ready by the time we want to release 0.3. If we expect they don't, we are better off staying on the current code 21:53:31 <clokep> 6 weeks? 18 weeks? Idk something like that. 21:53:38 <flo> clokep: shouldn't this rather be the hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-2.0 repository ? 21:53:58 <clokep> Hmm..possible. :) You'd know better than me. 21:54:24 <flo> I think we want to pick the security/stability fixes of 4.0.* too ;) 21:55:11 <clokep> True. :) 21:56:12 <flo> sabret00the: if by "privacy options" you mean "don't show conversations from people not in my contacts", it could be trivially implemented as an add-on, and it's nothing to do with privacy (there's no private information disclosure risk here...) 21:57:02 <sabret00the> privacy is being hidden from people you don't desire to be contacted by. hence why it's always amongst the privacy options. 21:57:54 <flo> which doesn't prevent them from messaging you. 21:58:09 <flo> You still get the spam. The bots just don't know if you will receive it now or later when you connect. 22:00:08 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 22:01:01 <flo> sabret00the: what's "the old style gradients" you are referring too? 22:01:27 <clokep> I think he just means the gray-ish instead of the blue-ish ones? 22:02:04 <sabret00the> Compare Firefox 3.6 to Firefox 4. It's the gradients from 3.6 which IB uses on the menu bar etc 22:02:41 <flo> sabret00the: I'm on Mac. 22:03:18 <sabret00the> Well in that case, it's a lot harder to explain. Give me a minute to think about it 22:03:48 <clokep> sabret00the: Find some screenshots? 22:04:03 <sabret00the> yeah, that's what I've just started doing 22:04:19 <flo> about the "minimum width for he buddy list" (or for any other window... the first window where I would want it is the conversation window). We can't do it until https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357725 is fixed. 22:05:36 <flo> (and yeah, that's a shame... but "not really our fault" :)) 22:07:13 <clokep> flo: for bug 603, how would I go about doing that? Adding an ifdef into blist.xul or adding into an overlay only for aero, etc.? 22:07:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Instantbird Button 22:07:24 * flo agrees with the "We should get Fx4 tabs" statement. 22:07:25 <clokep> Any ideas would be helpful. :-D 22:08:29 <flo> apparently ifdefs are disliked by several people here, so the overlay idea sounds better... except if it's very hackish 22:09:08 <clokep> I'm not even sure how I could do that in an overlay if I want a totally separate menu using the split buttons (like the Firefox menu...which you probably don't know what it looks like on Windows. :P) 22:09:24 <sabret00the> I definitely like the idea of Firefox 4 tabs, though we should make them shorter. The default tabs in Firefox 4 are too tall 22:09:43 <flo> I tried the other day to have Fx4 tabs (mac) and it wasn't as trivial as I thought it would be. Our tabs are the tabs of Firefox 3.5 and the underling XUL/XBL markup as changed quite a bit recently, so we can't just copy/paste the CSS, we need to understand it to apply the changes. 22:09:48 <clokep> I guess it could be done as an overlay though that hides that regular menu bar...(which should reappear on tab)... 22:10:08 <clokep> Ah, that's a shame. :( 22:10:15 * clokep will have to check out the Firefox code. 22:10:42 <sabret00the> image of the gradients I'm referring too: http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/428/oldstylegradients.png 22:11:03 <flo> It's probably not more than a day worth of work. But it's definitely not a copy/paste doable in a 5 minutes (like I hoped it would be...) 22:11:36 <flo> sabret00the: isn't that supposed to be the native Vista/7 theme? 22:12:18 <flo> thanks for the picture by the way, it's worth a lot of words to clarify things :) 22:12:47 <sabret00the> I believe it was deployed pre-Vista by Firefox 22:14:11 <flo> sabret00the: about the logo. The envelop means a message that only the recipient reads. I thought at some point that we could replace one of the envelop with a bubble for chatrooms, but most users will only use IM anyway so it doesn't make much sense... 22:16:01 <sabret00the> I agree that changing an envelope for a button wouldn't make much sense. But I definitely feel there's a lot more potential for brand identity than the flying envelopes will ever offer. Kinda like how Songbird has turned it's logo into a full mascot. 22:18:08 <clokep> Why are these bugs always more complicated than I expect them to be? 22:18:23 <flo> clokep: because they aren't fixed yet :-P 22:19:27 <clokep> Maybe. I meant the button should be easy to add, it's not so easy. :( 22:21:39 <flo> yeah, the tabs CSS should be easy to copy&paste ;) 22:21:54 <flo> glass should be just a one line CSS change 22:21:56 <flo> ... 22:21:58 <flo> ;) 22:22:10 <clokep> I never said just one line! 22:22:13 <flo> that's the difference between theory and real work :). 22:22:15 <clokep> Just that it'd be kind of easy. :) 22:22:26 <flo> I thought it :) 22:23:00 <sabret00the> For the button cloke. I made some changes to correct some css problems from the original 22:23:18 <flo> when I see how long it took me to get the appearance I wanted for the splitters in Mac conversation windows... 22:23:30 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 22:25:43 <sabret00the> https://github.com/sabret00the/bucktooth/blob/master/skin/menus.css 22:26:31 <clokep> sabret00the: I'm going to base anything I do off of the firefox code: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=450700&action=diff 22:26:56 <clokep> flo: Yeah...well my issue is more of that I had doing layout stuff, I find it takes so long. :( 22:27:01 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 22:27:16 * clokep goes in search of another bug to work on. 22:27:19 <sabret00the> Fair enough, but if we do that, we're kind of locked into their menu style too as it looks odd with a single grey menu column dropping down 22:27:46 <flo> clokep: want me to find one for you? :-P 22:28:21 <clokep> sabret00the: It has two menu columns with the split menu buttons...which is how it should look on Win7. Also I'd use the file, not necessarily that patch. 22:28:27 <clokep> flo: I'm willing to look at suggestions. :) 22:28:31 <flo> clokep: bug 712? :-P 22:28:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 22:29:02 <clokep> I was thinking bug 366. ;) 22:29:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Alphabetical sorting of group names 22:29:40 <flo> I'll probably take that when I start working on the tag UI 22:30:02 <clokep> OK I won't worry about it then. 22:30:17 <flo> and maybe all the ordering bugs at the same time 22:30:47 <clokep> bug 712 we needed to port another bug...I think the one I put in there is wrong, do you remember the proper one? 22:30:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 22:30:52 <flo> it's a bit a case of "scratch all the existing code and write something clean" 22:31:05 <flo> hmm, except if you want to just insert a sort call before displaying the list :) 22:31:18 <clokep> Since Google doesn't seem to index our logs often. 22:31:23 <flo> but it wouldn't be as easy to insert the "new" groups at the right position 22:32:01 <flo> haven't we commented in the bug with all the info we had? 22:32:36 <flo> ah, no :( 22:33:46 <flo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=503816&action=diff I think 22:34:02 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 22:34:25 <clokep> Alright, Thanks. 22:34:29 <clokep> I'll check it out. 22:35:00 <clokep> Ah you're right, it's that bug. :) My bug points to it. 22:36:15 * flo has a patch for the next part of the contact stuff. 22:36:17 <flo> 9 files changed, 238 insertions(+), 61 deletions(-) 22:36:43 <clokep> :) Which part is this? 22:36:45 <flo> I'm not sure if I should take the opportunity to rewrite the conversation handling code of purpleCoreService in JS, or keep my changes as small as possible 22:36:48 <clokep> So I can look for what breaks. :-D 22:37:32 <flo> having a single tabs for conversations of a contact 22:37:35 <flo> *tab 22:38:18 <clokep> Ah, the part I'm excited for. :-D 22:38:54 <flo> basically, I added a wrapper around purpleIConversation objects so that the UI (the conversation binding) continues to see the same conversation object when the purpleIConversation changed because the contact used a different buddy to talk 22:40:01 <clokep> Makes sense. 22:40:23 <clokep> flo: Do we have something like that specialTabs.js? 22:40:36 <flo> I don't even know what it is :-/ 22:40:47 <clokep> It's moving it to a content tab...which we don't really want... 22:40:54 <flo> it's just pretty obvious that we need to observe these notifications 22:42:26 <clokep> Yes. :) 22:42:42 <clokep> Looking to see if there's related bugs in bugzill afirst 22:48:39 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 22:51:22 --> Orn has joined #instantbird 22:51:42 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Ping timeout) 22:58:45 <clokep> Anyone have an example of an incompatible add-on? :) 23:00:42 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Ping timeout) 23:03:07 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 23:05:08 <clokep> instantbot: uuid 23:05:09 <instantbot> 929819e1-891d-4c58-84f8-35b0d363587b (/msg instantbot cid for CID form) 23:28:13 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 23:28:59 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 23:29:56 --> flo has joined #instantbird 23:29:56 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 23:36:42 <flo> good night :) 23:37:20 <clokep> 'night! 23:37:20 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre)