#instantbird log on 11 12 2010

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00:21:30 <Mic> nn
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00:28:11 <clokep> flo: I'm gonna a bunch of errors from imContacts.js?
00:28:33 <flo> "gonna a bunch of errors"?
00:28:50 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/456
00:28:57 <clokep> You gotta give me a minute for pastebin to load. ;)
00:29:07 <clokep> There's at least 20 o fthe.
00:30:23 <flo> that's the error when there are buddies in blist.sqlite for an account that is of a missing/incompatible protocol plugin
00:36:16 <clokep> Ohhhh, OK.
00:36:19 <clokep> Yes. I have one of those. :)
00:36:34 <flo> I will rewrite the "unknown protocol" someday
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00:49:00 <clokep> OK. :)
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05:07:21 <clokep> Test. :)
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09:50:25 <Mic> Hell
09:50:29 <Mic> *Hello
10:13:37 <auscompgeek> hi
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13:34:57 <clokep> Good day!
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14:41:57 <Mic> clokep: you're working on the IRC protocol plugin again?
14:42:10 <Mic> I saw something that looked like a test on the logs
14:42:15 <clokep> Oh.
14:42:16 <clokep> Yes.
14:42:21 <clokep> I didn't work on it persay.
14:42:26 <clokep> I was just seeing what error was thrown again.
14:42:29 <clokep> So I could think about it.
14:42:44 <clokep> And I merged flo's jsProtoHelper changes into my fork.
14:43:12 <clokep> I'm getting an error that something doesn't exist but I think it does. :-\
14:43:14 <Mic> You haven't upstreamed any changes to it yet, have you?
14:43:18 <clokep> No.
14:45:38 <Mic> So in a way you're polishing the jsProtoHelper while developing the IRC extension
14:46:02 <clokep> Yes, kind of.
14:46:09 <clokep> I'm adding stuff that isn't in it yet though.
14:46:16 <clokep> like I added a Chat prototype
14:47:03 <Mic> Ah, that could be useful, I should check it out one day (I've got a js protocol plugin for the Windows net send/msg messages in mind)
14:47:20 <clokep> Actually...
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14:48:30 <clokep> This line: https://hg.instantbird.org/experiments/file/77c84a350732/components/ircProtocol.js#l598 throws an error saying this._buddies doesn't exist, but it's declared above? So I'm not sure. :-\
14:48:50 <clokep> Probably a silly typo, but I can't figure it out.
14:50:08 <clokep> I need to run to class, but if you have a second to check it out? Thta'd be great.
14:50:34 <clokep> I want to at least get chats working soon. :)
14:52:05 <Mic> I'll have a look
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14:55:26 <flo> clokep: this is not what you think inside a forEach
14:55:32 <Mic> clokep: I think it is referring to the function that it is used in and not the Account class
14:55:45 <Mic> use self = this; before the function and self... inseide.
14:56:04 <flo> no
14:56:17 <flo> specify the this you want as the second parameter of the forEach function call
14:56:27 <flo> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/forEach
14:57:30 <Mic> Ah, I didn't know that..
14:58:05 <flo> that second parameter is specific of the array methods ;)
14:58:34 <flo> the hack you remembered with the function closure and the self variable was commonly used for event handlers
14:58:37 <Mic> Don't you have similiar problems with setTimeout callbacks and other things?
14:58:59 <Mic> Why shouldn't I do that the same way in both cases?
14:59:07 <flo> ah, right, timer callbacks :)
14:59:27 <flo> I think we can remove the self hack now that Function.apply is implemented in the js engine
15:01:10 <Mic> ah, but as drawback you have to stuff the other parameters into an array
15:01:56 <flo> uh, I guess I misremembered the name
15:01:57 <Mic> Should be ok though
15:02:12 <Mic> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/function/apply
15:03:03 <flo> yeah, that's old and is not the new feature I wanted to point to
15:04:26 <flo> I'm looking for something that that returns another function with the this value already set
15:04:44 <flo> I know it's been added in the js engine in the mozilla2.0 timeframe, and was part of jQuery before
15:05:46 <flo> ah, bind !
15:06:18 <flo> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Function/bind
15:06:21 <Mic> MDC search doesn't return results for anything for me atm :S
15:06:59 <flo> that should replace more gracefully the self hack we used to use
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15:09:02 <Mic> Shall we file a bug to track down the self-hacks to replace them?
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15:10:13 <flo> hmm, I need to read https://developer.mozilla.org/web-tech/2009/04/29/object-and-array-initializers-should-not-invoke-setters-when-evaluated/ carefully, if it's what it looks, I suspect I can get rid of a very ugly hack in the message theme system :)
15:10:37 <flo> Mic: it seems we have only 3 instances
15:10:44 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=var%20self and http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=var%20self
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15:11:57 <flo> I guess a bug won't hurt, and it's a trivial patch for whoever is interested in doing it :)
15:14:01 <Mic> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/preferences/applications.js#858
15:15:09 <flo> ugly :(
15:15:26 <flo> you looked for " = this" instead? :)
15:15:32 <Mic> yes
15:15:55 <flo> good catch! :)
15:16:06 <flo> is it the only additional instance, or just an example?
15:16:32 <Mic> The only obvious one
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15:17:18 <flo> I'm not sure if we want to fix it. It's not a code but a copy of some firefox code, so adding arbitrary differences may not really help if we want to sync their changes later
15:17:32 <flo> s/not a code/not our code/
15:17:45 <Mic> "= this" returns quite a lot of results, I used "= this\;" with regexp support instead
15:18:57 <flo> :)
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15:21:36 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 580 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
15:21:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Replace self-hack on callbacks
15:22:15 <Mic> Would you mind looking over the description of the bug? I hope I got it right.
15:24:43 <flo> looks good, thanks! :)
15:26:36 <Mic> dont mention it
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15:35:01 <hxm> hello?
15:35:30 <hxm> I have installed instantbird in macosx and linux, I tried to install the spanish language pack and it doesn't appear in anywhere
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15:35:40 <hxm> I can see it in tab Languages, but doesn't works
15:35:49 <hxm> is there a special way to select?
15:35:58 <Mic> Hello
15:36:03 <hxm> hello
15:36:19 <zachlr> hello
15:36:24 <hxm> do you know how to install language pack, mic?
15:36:43 <Mic> flo: how does that work with language packs, do you still have to set the locale by hand in the settings?
15:37:00 <flo> I'm afraid we still do, or install the locale switcher add-on
15:38:22 <Mic> ok, to use the language pack you can either set the language code it in an advanced config dialog ..
15:38:46 <Mic> .. or use this extension that allows to switch between installed language packs: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/213
15:39:03 <hxm> yes, it worked
15:39:12 <hxm> the locale switcher is fine
15:39:32 <Mic> Great, I hope you like it:) 
15:39:55 <hxm> in a first glance it looks as correct spanish
15:40:21 <flo> if at the second glance you find issues, please report them to the translators ;)
15:40:52 <Mic> GeekShadow: if Locale Switcher works with current nightlies, it would be great if you'd raise the compatibility of the addon on the addons site
15:41:31 <hxm> by the way i didn't associated intl.accept_languages with the language pack
15:41:39 <hxm> but now I see that's obvious
15:43:29 <Mic> flo: what happened to the german translator who was here a few weeks ago?
15:44:12 <flo> no idea
15:44:42 <flo> it's probably the third german translator we have that hasn't commited anything :(
15:45:47 <hxm> spanish dictionary doesn't exist, right?
15:45:58 <hxm> for the checkspell
15:46:01 <flo> isn't it included in the language pack?
15:46:33 <flo> ah, I think that's a separate add-on, and the translator has a problem when attempting to upload it to the add-ons website :(
15:47:10 <GeekShadow> Mic how do I update maxVer on the addon website ?
15:47:45 <GeekShadow> oh got it
15:47:48 <GeekShadow> to which version ?
15:48:16 <GeekShadow> 0.3a1pre ?
15:48:20 <flo> 0.3a1pre if it's allowed by the website I guess
15:48:38 <GeekShadow> done ;)
15:50:10 <flo> great, thanks :)
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15:51:38 <clokep> doh flo, thanks! You're right. ;)
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15:52:31 <Mic> re
15:53:13 <Mic> There's a dropdown box on the settings for each addon, where you can easily chose and update compatibility of an extension
15:53:41 <Mic> Give me two minutes to look up the exact spot 
15:54:20 <clokep> Thanks for your help (and Mic!)
15:54:20 <Mic> ah, it's already solved as I see. Nice :)
15:54:22 <clokep> Be back soon.
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16:44:38 <flo> any idea of how I can fix a Windows XP computer that won't shutdown even in safe mode?
16:45:36 <clokep> Hold the power button down?
16:45:39 <clokep> Trip the power strip?
16:45:43 <flo> it's not a fix ;)
16:45:49 <clokep> It works. :)
16:45:57 <flo> my best fix would be "install ubuntu", but I don't think the owner would like that fix
16:46:01 <clokep> It hangs on the shutdown screen?
16:46:12 <flo> yes
16:46:47 <flo> on the "Shutting down Windows", just after the "Saving your settings" message. I can still move the mouse
16:46:54 * clokep just realized he left his other computer unplugged so that's obviously why Wake-on-LAN isn't working.
16:47:04 <clokep> Hmmm...is it up to date? :)
16:47:49 <flo> SP3
16:47:54 <flo> it has worked for years
16:49:05 <flo> other problems of the same machine: extremely slow when not in safe mode (I suspect ZoneAlarm or Avast); reproducible BSOD when defragmenting a partition that contains only data.
16:49:32 <flo> the hardware seems in a good working condition.
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16:53:30 <flo> the english version of the message is "Windows is shutting down", not "Shutting down Windows"
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17:10:35 <clokep> Note to self: Don't upgrade wireless drivers when on wireless. :)
17:10:59 <clokep> Sorry flo. I haven't had issues like that in forever.
17:11:24 <flo> yeah, I haven't had issues like that since I no longer use windows ;)
17:11:38 <clokep> I haven't had issues since upgrading to Vista 5 years ago. :)
17:11:46 <clokep> (And now 7 / WHS)
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17:38:07 <clokep> We should make a Facetime plug in. ;)
17:38:20 <clokep> s/plug in/protocol/
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18:27:01 <Jox> Have anyone ICQ working in InstantBird?
18:33:40 <clokep> I'm not using ICQ, but I'm using AIM and it's the same protocol AFAIK?
18:41:25 <clokep> Hmm...apparently AIM/ICQ compatibility is being discontinued?
18:41:33 <clokep> According to Wikipedia. ;)
18:42:59 <clokep> Jox: Is it not connecting at all or are there other issues? Do you see anything in the account manager or error console? What version are you on?
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19:03:16 <Jox> Version 0.2. Facebook and XMPP account are working. 
19:04:05 <Jox> ICQ: connecting, sending login...  Error: Unknown reason.
19:04:43 <Jox> Yesterday it worked
19:04:51 <clokep> Tools > Error console, is there naything in there?
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19:06:37 <Jox> Îøèáêà: Couldn't look up SRV record. Îøèáêà DNS-ñåðâåðà. (9002).
19:06:37 <Jox> Èñòî÷íèê: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/8949073f5575/purple/libpurple/dnssrv.c
19:06:37 <Jox> Ñòðîêà: 537
19:06:37 <Jox> Èñõîäíûé êîä:
19:06:37 <Jox> dnssrv: res_main_thread_cb
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19:07:18 <Jox> May be this one
19:07:48 <Jox> Îøèáêà: Failed to clone getAwayMenuItem
19:07:48 <Jox> Èñòî÷íèê: chrome://mintrayr/content/common.js
19:07:48 <Jox> Ñòðîêà: 134
19:07:50 <clokep> You can use http://pastebin.instantbird.com
19:07:53 <clokep> For long messages. :)
19:08:07 <clokep> No, that's from minimize to tray add-on you have installed.
19:08:25 <clokep> If it worked yesterday and is no longer working, I'd tend to think it's a network issue or some sort.
19:12:28 <Jox> QIP is working.
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20:04:46 <Mic> I think I've seen this error message before (well, the parts of it that I can read)
20:05:50 <Mic> I don't think I considered it serious
20:06:37 <Mic> I'm not getting it at the moment, so I can't say for sure
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20:21:45 <iLobster> Greetings
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20:28:50 <iLobster> flo: are there any plans to upgrade libpurple from 2.7.3 to 2.7.5?
20:30:14 <flo> iLobster: for nightlies, sure :)
20:32:30 <iLobster> flo: yes, for nightlies. As far as i understand it's something good for icq accounts in libpurple 2.7.5
20:32:56 <flo> the pidgin homepage says "Pidgin 2.7.5 fixes several AIM and ICQ bugs introduced in 2.7.4."
20:33:24 <flo> if that summarize the changes, it fixes the regressions that were the reason why we didn't update to 2.7.4
20:36:37 <iLobster> do not know what was broken in 2.7.4 but as far as i understand pidgin can now connect to icq servers using SSL and/or clientLogin without geting errors about failed handshake and other stuff (like i'm see now in error console in nightly)
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22:03:30 <Mic1> flo: there's a bug about some issues with the topic bar on irc channels
22:03:55 <Mic1> Is it worth still spending time on it?
22:04:24 <flo> if we can design something better that would be there for both MUCs and 1-1 chats, no :)
22:04:47 <Mic1> That's why I'm asking: how likely is this to happen?
22:05:15 <flo> we need it for contacts (so that people can decide which protocol to use and overcome the automatic selection)
22:05:18 <Mic1> Such a bar for 1-1 chats could for example contain the other users status message if there is one?
22:05:21 <flo> so I guess it will happen in the 0.3 timeframe
22:05:34 <flo> yes, it would contain the status message, the buddy icon, ...
22:06:10 <Mic1> ok, so I guess we can drop the topic bar bug
22:06:51 <Mic1> It was only minor things anyways (prevent closing it accidently, and a tooltip thing iirc)
22:07:02 <Mic1> bug 352
22:07:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352 min, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Topic change bar issues
22:13:46 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com set the Resolution field on bug 352 to WONTFIX.
22:13:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352 min, --, ---, benediktp, RESO WONTFIX, Topic change bar issues
22:14:16 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 280 on bug 352.
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23:27:13 <iLobster> nn
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23:37:33 * flo is failing to add/get added by someone on MSN and find that ridiculous
23:38:05 <clokep> Do you  mean failing as in not finding someone to do it w/ or failing as in the code doesn't work? ;)
23:38:40 <clokep> If it's the former I can add you.
23:39:34 <flo> someone met on Omegle that I want to exchange contact info with
23:41:21 <clokep> Ohhh OK.
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23:46:33 <flo> yet another person that is convinced that I am (or should be) a psychologist :-P
23:47:16 <clokep> Nah.
23:47:52 <flo> ah?
23:48:06 <Mic> How comes that?
23:48:20 <Mic> Let me guess..
23:48:27 <Mic> you ask the right questions?
23:48:33 <flo> yeah
23:48:44 <Mic> Am I good or am I good? :P
23:48:48 <flo> (and also I inserted some replies from Eliza at the beginning of the conversation :-D)
23:49:09 <hicham> flo is a confirmed shrink
23:49:09 <hicham> hi everybody
23:49:25 <clokep> Hello.
23:49:38 <Mic> hi
23:49:58 * hicham likes this channel
23:50:10 <flo> hicham: friendly? :)
23:51:26 <hicham> flo : yes, a lot :), everyone can feel at home in here
23:51:46 <flo> even a few mentally disordered people :-D
23:52:25 <hicham> was anyone of them in here ?
23:52:42 <flo> not right now
23:53:01 <clokep> I didn't realize you frequent Omegle. ;)
23:53:38 <hicham> what was he/she asking about ?
23:53:39 <flo> clokep: I was trying to make Eliza talk to a random Omegle stranger, and I had the bad luck of having an interesting stranger at the firs try :(
23:54:15 <clokep> You didn't tell the stranger that he/she was talking to a bot? ;)
23:54:28 <flo> she wasn't
23:54:42 <flo> I just pasted a few replies from Eliza to see if they would fit in the context
23:55:07 <clokep> Mmhmm.
23:55:36 <flo> but once my code work, the stranger will be totally talking to a bot and I'll be sitting there watching the conversation :-P
23:56:18 <clokep> That's borderline creepy.
23:56:57 <flo> there are so many strange things on Omegle that an additional one won't make any difference
23:58:53 <clokep> Mic: Have you looked at any Skype stuff by any chance? :)
23:58:54 <flo> actually, I'm interested in seeing if some people won't notice it's a bot
23:59:22 <flo> the wikipedia says "ELIZA was implemented using simple pattern matching techniques, but was taken seriously by several of its users, even after Weizenbaum explained to them how it worked."