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Good bye!) 10:16:05 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 10:25:40 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 10:52:40 --> mokush_ has joined #instantbird 10:53:01 <-- mokush_ has quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) 11:19:19 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:21:45 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:21:51 --> Even has joined #instantbird 11:21:51 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 11:22:25 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:22:32 --> Even has joined #instantbird 11:22:32 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 11:48:56 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 11:51:38 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:58:09 <clokep> Mic: Some protocols seem to do that (i.e. sign on/off aren't instantaneous), I've noticed it with Facebook that every minute or so it seems to ping about who's online and then signs on/off a bunch of users. 12:02:27 <Mic> Since most of my contacts are on Facebook it could be that it is exactly this 12:03:45 <Mic> *buddies 12:05:48 <Mic> btw a 'buddy' can be anyone in american, can't it? 12:06:53 <clokep> What do you mean "anyone"? 12:06:58 <Mic> uh .. 12:07:08 <clokep> In regular speech a buddy is a friend, a pal, etc. 12:07:35 <clokep> In this context a "buddy" can be anyone on your buddy list, even that guy on Facebook you're not really friends with but for some social construct you can't defriend him. ;) 12:07:36 <Mic> Somewhere I read something like .. two people meeting in a bar and noticing they like the same brand of beer could make them buddies already (as strange as this sounds to me) 12:07:57 <clokep> Eh, I'd call them acquaintances. ;) 12:10:34 <Mic> Have you noticed this behaviour on Facebook's web chat as well? 12:10:44 <clokep> Yes. 12:10:51 <Mic> too bad 12:11:18 <clokep> A lot of times in the webchat it'll show "10 buddies" and then when I click on the webchat it'll update to "15 buddies" or "5 buddies" or whatever. 12:11:25 <clokep> But not until I bring up the menu. 12:12:04 <rikki> facebook web interface is broken 12:12:54 <rikki> from wat i've read the chat server which we used was hacked into the existing chat system 12:13:18 <Mic> The 'XMPP server' is just a gateway to their chat system 12:13:28 <rikki> yea ik that 12:13:35 <Mic> That's why they don't support anything in a way ;) 12:13:44 <rikki> but non the less it was hacked in 12:14:04 <clokep> Yeah, they use some custom protocol based on XHR, so it'd kind of make sense that it was all time based on some refresh ping. 12:14:46 <Mic> If we'd use their web api we could query the status more frequently 12:16:09 <rikki> i'll talk to u guys tmrw, o btw i've been a web developer b4 i started back on java 12:16:28 <rikki> so this technology is still on my mind lol 12:16:47 <clokep> Mic: Didn't flo mention something about possibly wanting to make a "real" Facebook chat protocol instead of using the XMPP gateway? 12:17:04 <Mic> yes, just filing a bug for this :D 12:17:20 <-- rikki has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 12:17:24 <clokep> The only scary part about that is what happens when they change their API? ;) 12:18:30 <Mic> fall back to xmpp until we fix it 12:19:51 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 538 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 12:19:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reimplement Facebook chat 12:21:08 <Mic> I wonder if this could be done completely automatically .. 12:21:20 <Mic> Falling back to xmpp if the normal plugin fails for some reason 12:22:46 <clokep> :) Its possible. 12:32:04 <Mic> Now I got three ICQ notifications at once :S 12:32:15 <Mic> (via Buddy Status popups) 12:43:44 <clokep> Oh no. :( 12:46:06 <clokep> Found some references to the API. ;) 12:47:19 <clokep> I'll be back in a bit. 12:47:34 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 13:01:55 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:02:05 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:13:55 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:30:00 --> clokep1 has joined #instantbird 13:30:56 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 13:39:12 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:41:30 <-- clokep1 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:43:48 --> flo has joined #instantbird 13:43:48 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 13:47:29 <-- mokush has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:50:36 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 13:56:26 --> clokep1 has joined #instantbird 13:58:17 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 14:01:23 <-- mokush has quit (Ping timeout) 14:19:57 <-- clokep1 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:31:39 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 14:38:46 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 14:49:01 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 14:49:56 <clokep> Good morning. 15:00:54 <Andrey> hi 15:01:05 <clokep> Hello Andrey. 15:21:15 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a8fc7f06ff06 - Florian Quèze - Port patch from Glib Bug 167569 - g_string_append_printf crashes on win32 when used with a NULL 15:21:17 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/2df0778069b5 - Florian Quèze - Copy the patch from Pidgin ticket #12387 (mtn revision c7f2cce48dfe465889b7803de44156e7e89e41e0) in an attempt to fix one of the MSN crashes. 15:21:48 <flo> the next nightly should have a "reduced support for crashing" ;) 15:23:07 <clokep> Keywords: /should/, /reduced/ ;) 15:23:40 <flo> we have removed 3 of the 4 top crashers 15:24:13 <clokep> I bet the oscar one is the one that's left, right? 15:24:17 <Mic> Then there'll be three new top crashers by tomorrow ;) 15:24:26 <flo> clokep: exactly 15:24:31 <Mic> Which is not as bad as it sounds ;) 15:24:31 <clokep> Just my luck. :( 15:24:42 <flo> but it's part of those we spent time on 15:24:53 <flo> and Adium developers are on it too 15:25:04 <flo> it's been there for more than 2 years already! 15:25:11 <clokep> Wow! 15:25:16 <clokep> Pidgin guys aren't interestd in it. 15:25:28 <flo> clokep: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/5927 15:26:38 <clokep> Ah, I see. 15:26:51 <flo> http://pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/2010-October/009876.html 15:27:10 <flo> (if anybody is interested by the details of our interactions with the pidgin team) 15:28:37 <clokep> That's a long email. :) 15:30:02 <flo> and it took time to write it ;) 15:40:21 <clokep> Haha. 16:01:44 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 16:04:01 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 16:07:34 --> ron has joined #instantbird 16:09:03 <-- Andrey has quit (Ping timeout) 16:17:35 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 16:18:01 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 16:18:26 <-- ron has quit (Ping timeout) 16:23:17 <-- Andrey has quit (Ping timeout) 16:26:47 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 16:29:22 --> ron has joined #instantbird 16:29:53 <-- Andrey has quit (Ping timeout) 16:32:42 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 16:40:33 --> Ron_ has joined #instantbird 16:41:21 <-- ron has quit (Ping timeout) 16:42:46 <-- Ron_ has quit (Quit: ) 16:43:27 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:43:40 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 17:00:51 * flo ponders writing a JS module to make it extremely simple to do an SQL request in blist.sqlite 17:09:18 <Mic> ah, how's the buddy list rewrite going? 17:13:28 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 17:13:48 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:14:48 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 17:15:40 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 17:15:44 <flo> Mic: I've just finished debugging the code to create a new group/tag. 17:28:50 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 17:31:56 <-- micahg has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:32:50 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 17:36:41 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 17:38:31 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:41:12 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 17:44:36 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:52:38 <Mic> Syncing will be an ugly thing :S 17:53:12 <Mic> I need to keep track which buddies belong to each account and change / reassign account ids internally and such 17:55:27 <Mic> I guess I'll have a few messed up profiles until then ;) 18:03:48 <flo> the account names would be hard to sync, yeah... 18:04:23 <flo> wait, if the accounts are synced, they can have the same id everywhere 18:12:25 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 497 to WORKSFORME. 18:12:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497 cri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Crash on theme change 18:13:33 <Mic> Good :) 18:16:48 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:28:06 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 18:37:55 --> Mic1 has joined #instantbird 18:39:27 <-- Mic1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:39:33 --> Mic1 has joined #instantbird 18:40:08 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 18:41:05 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:42:37 <-- Mic1 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:42:38 --> Mic1 has joined #instantbird 18:42:54 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 18:44:49 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 18:45:24 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 18:45:45 <-- Mic1 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:46:01 <-- Mic2 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:51:16 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 18:51:21 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 18:52:07 <-- micahg has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:53:30 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 18:53:59 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:56:17 --> Mic1 has joined #instantbird 18:56:35 <Mic1> Sorry, router problems 18:58:09 <flo> Good night! 18:58:11 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:58:36 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 19:06:59 <Mic1> bye 19:09:40 <-- Mic1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 19:10:26 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 19:26:10 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 19:43:59 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:44:11 --> GeekSh4dow has joined #instantbird 20:09:31 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 20:35:42 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:46:49 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 20:47:10 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:48:57 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 20:50:17 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:50:24 <Mic> clokep: interesting: the current IRC plugin actually checks the online status of IRC contacts added to the buddy list 20:53:40 <clokep> Mic: It should. 20:54:33 <Mic> There are no sign-on/sign-off notifications in IRC, so it has to rely on polling the status 20:54:49 <clokep> Most likely, yes. 20:55:00 <clokep> But you can request a list of all signed on users. 20:55:10 <Mic> which is not exactly the best practice but if nothing else helps 20:55:15 <clokep> Mmhmm. 20:55:29 <clokep> Not quite good, but its good enough. 20:59:38 <clokep> I've never added any buddies though. :) 21:01:22 <Mic> I just tried because of Sync .. 21:01:48 <clokep> :) Yes, unfortunately the IRC protocol is kind of eh. 21:01:59 <Mic> All other services that I use keep buddy lists on their servers while IRC doesn't 21:02:22 <clokep> Ah OK. 21:02:31 <Mic> That means that two clients can have different buddies in their lists 21:02:42 <clokep> Isn't a local copy kept anyway? 21:04:03 <Mic> 'who' keeps a copy of what? 21:04:40 <clokep> Doesn't Instantbird keep a local copy of all the buddy lists in blist.sql? 21:04:43 <clokep> Or whatever the file is. 21:04:46 <-- GeekSh4dow has quit (Ping timeout) 21:05:45 <Mic> yes .. that's why syncing won't be as easy as syncing accounts only 21:06:56 <clokep> OK, so why does it matter that IRC doesn't have a server side list? Doesn't that make it easier? 21:08:39 <Mic> because then I can't rely on that each instance of Instantbird has the same buddies for each account 21:09:03 <Mic> (well, maybe I couldn't even then because of local alias' for buddies?) 21:09:24 <Mic> so I definitely need to sync buddies as well 21:09:28 <clokep> I don't think you can anyway. 21:09:36 <clokep> Local alias. 21:09:47 <clokep> Also does Instantbird delete buddies from the server when you remove them? (I don't think Pidgin does.) 21:10:33 <Mic> What good are server side lists when you don't modify them? 21:11:06 <clokep> I agree. :) 21:11:59 <clokep> You'll need to sync tags as well? 21:12:44 <Mic> Most likely anything that's there 21:13:10 <Mic> I wish it could be split into pieces, but syncing buddies without accounts doesn't make sense for example 21:13:28 <clokep> :-\ It does slightly. 21:13:31 <clokep> But not really. 21:13:36 <clokep> Its "usable" but kind of eh. 21:14:24 <Mic> It might work if there's an existing account of the same service which I could attach them too, but it sounds ugly to be honst 21:14:26 <Mic> *honest 21:20:25 <Mic> good nig`ht 21:20:51 <clokep> night! 21:21:11 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 21:51:34 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 22:02:13 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:05:44 --> goulagman has joined #instantbird 22:13:46 --> clokep1 has joined #instantbird 22:15:47 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 22:25:59 <-- kaie has quit (Ping timeout) 22:29:33 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 22:49:01 <-- clokep1 has quit (Ping timeout) 22:53:58 <-- kaie has quit (Quit: Leaving) 23:19:34 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:46:43 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout)