#instantbird log on 10 05 2010

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07:46:06 <Mic> Good morning
07:47:48 <flo> hello :)
07:48:32 * flo looks at the httpd log and sees that the annoying person yesterday made more than 20000 requests to the add-ons website in about an hour and a half
07:48:57 <Mic> If you don't mind to take a screenshot, I'd be interested how the new icon looks on Mac
07:49:54 <flo> the nightly updates are broken
07:50:02 <flo> do you mind if I screenshot my debug build instead?
07:50:06 <Mic> Where did he try to break in?
07:50:28 <Mic> no
07:50:40 <Mic> I meant 'any specific account'?
07:50:48 <flo> there are thousands of requests to /en-US/instantbird/users/login?to=<some strange string that doesn't look really evil>
07:50:58 <Mic> Do debug builds look differently somehow?
07:51:24 <flo> the pref window should look the same
07:51:59 <flo> the menu bar have an additional "Debug" menu, I tend to build them with the halloween branding, and... they are much slower and output a lot of noise in the terminal :)
07:56:04 <Mic> gtg, safety lesson on cryogenic gases
07:56:11 <Mic> Sounds .. interesting.
07:57:09 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/prefwindow-new-icons-mac-1.png
07:57:09 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/prefwindow-new-icons-mac-2.png
07:57:33 <flo> have fun :)
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08:36:02 <Mic> hmm, the right bit of the lower bubble could have been a bit darker :S
08:36:27 <Mic> Thanks for taking the screenshots
08:36:33 <flo> np
08:36:36 <flo> thanks for working on this ;)
08:37:03 <Mic> I wonder what this 300 days 22 hours means ..
08:37:15 <Mic> nevermind
08:37:28 <flo> it's timebubbles :)
08:37:33 <flo> the time since the last message
08:37:47 <Mic> exactly .. I just noticed this and figured it would be something like this
08:37:52 <flo> the preview uses fixed time in the timestamps, so those messages are getting old ;)
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12:14:27 <hicham> morning flo
12:20:28 <hicham> flo : i see lots of warning when compiling IB
12:20:48 <flo> différent from those: http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/259/steps/compile/logs/warnings ?
12:22:28 <hicham> i guess some are different
12:24:01 <hicham> minutes and i will give you the log
12:24:35 <flo> I'm probably not very interested in them, except if some look really scary of course ;)
12:26:10 <hicham> what if a vulnerability is found in libpurple, will you issue an update ?
12:26:34 <flo> depends what kind of vulnerability
12:26:59 <flo> if it's critical, we will
12:27:02 <hicham> a security vulnerability of course
12:27:35 <flo> they aren't all critical
12:28:35 <flo> and they may be critical for pidgin but not for instantbird, if they are in code that is never executed for us.
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12:29:00 <hicham> yes, I understand that, since you don't use all libpurple code
12:29:18 <flo> if we believe there's a significant risk for our users, we will update them.
12:29:45 <flo> it's one of the reasons why we wanted to have the update system set up so quickly (we installed it for 0.1.2, years ago...)
12:30:20 <hicham> for linux updates are done through the package manager
12:30:42 <hicham> and are quicker here since only the delta is downloaded
12:30:55 <flo> ah, I didn't know fedora supported that :)
12:31:16 <hicham> since F-11 I think
12:31:19 <flo> Instantbird only download partial update files too ;)
12:32:09 <hicham> I hope the fedora board will grant an exception :)
12:32:22 <hicham> after all, all mozilla products in fedora are granted exceptions
12:32:42 <flo> how do you request this? On bugzilla? By email?
12:33:36 <hicham> by opening a ticket at FESCo trac : https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/
12:34:16 <hicham> there is currently one for libvpx for example : https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/472
12:34:57 <hicham> i hope IB doesn't have the same trademark issues :)
12:37:01 <hicham> here is a build log : http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=2513811&name=build.log
12:37:51 <flo> ah, you build the C code with "warning: unused parameter" enabled. Lots of them in libpurple ;)
12:39:08 <hicham> all fedora packages are built with the same set of CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS
12:39:14 <hicham> that is a basic rule
12:39:28 <flo> and in our code you have lots of "empty macro arguments are undefined in ISO C90 and ISO C++98"
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12:40:20 <hicham> why not fix these ?
12:40:33 <flo> what's the fix?
12:44:18 <hicham> i am not sure, i will try to find an answer
12:44:55 <clokep> Why aren't there things like this in Instantbird: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mailnews/build/nsMailModule.cpp#40
12:45:31 <flo> isn't the "write some generic magic here" quote you found yesterday enough? ;)
12:47:09 <clokep> Not quite as scary. ;)
12:47:20 <hicham> mozilla code is scary
12:47:23 <flo> if you wanna be really scared, read libpurple's code ;)
12:48:08 <flo> clokep: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/oscar/oscar.c#1651
12:48:23 <flo> and the two following functions
12:48:51 <clokep> Hahaha, very descriptive.
12:49:11 <flo> I would have used the name of the structure for the whole file though
12:49:42 <flo> but that was already done at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/server.c#24
12:52:27 <hicham> flo : I will try to upload some packages in here : http://hicham.fedorapeople.org/instantbird/
12:52:46 <hicham> and maybe even create a yum repo
12:52:57 <flo> ok. I can't promise to try them, as I have no fedora VM currently ;)
12:53:33 <hicham> flo : it would make things easier for fedora users
12:53:45 <hicham> flo : with both i686 and x86_64 builds
12:54:12 <flo> easier to install, but not to report crashes I guess ;)
12:55:58 <clokep> flo: Is the Windows update problem fixed? (I see it is for Windows...)
12:56:28 <flo> depends which one you are talking about :)
12:56:53 <flo> I still don't know the cause of the one we discussed the other day that I've never been able to reproduce
12:56:54 <hicham> flo : we have a really neat crash reporting system in fedora
12:57:00 <flo> the one that broke everything is fixed
12:57:13 <clokep> I meant the partial update one.
12:57:22 <flo> and the one that break partial updates of extracted zip file is not fixed
12:57:24 <hicham> damn, i forgot about the missing sources in debuginfo
12:57:40 <flo> but it's only a problem the first time you upgrade it (it will download a full update)
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12:58:40 <hicham> flo : the crash reporting in fedora automatically download debuginfo packages, and submit full usable backtraces
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12:58:52 <clokep> I'm stuck in a loop of not being able to update. :P
12:59:27 <flo> if you have the nightly built sunday, the updater in it is broken
13:00:13 <hicham> the package is only 2.0 MB
13:00:28 <flo> sounds good
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13:00:48 <flo> it seems to be the size on debian too: http://packages.debian.org/sid/instantbird
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13:00:57 <clokep> OK. I managed to beat it.
13:02:33 <hicham> flo : check for updates is automatically disabled
13:03:03 <flo> you need to add something in the mozconfig to enable it
13:03:33 <hicham> even with that it won't work, since IB doesn't have write permissions where it is installed
13:04:15 <flo> Firefox 4 checks for updates even when it doesn't have write permission
13:04:28 <flo> it will just notify the user that there's an update, instead of proposing to install it
13:19:43 <clokep> Wow, 23 people are in here. Even when you exclude the bots that's over 20. ;)
13:22:32 <flo> playing too much with prototypes can produce strange results
13:22:51 <flo> I just typoed GenericAccountPrototype instead of GenericAccountBuddyPrototype
13:23:04 <flo> I was wondering how come I had so many accounts that failed to initialize ;)
13:23:16 <hicham> great, debuginfo package is complete
13:24:19 <clokep> I had that issue too, I kept typing GenericConvChatBuddyPrototype instead of GenericChatConversationPrototype
13:24:27 <clokep> Autocomplete doesn't help in this case. :(
13:24:58 * flo autocompleted too ;)
13:29:20 <hicham> flo : i guess IB crashreporter sends backtraces only ?
13:29:34 <flo> yes, binary stacks
13:30:12 <flo> they are then processed on our server which has the symbols of the builds that we have compiled with our buildbot
13:30:20 <hicham> flo: i guess fedora's backtraces will be better then
13:30:29 <flo> how so?
13:30:55 <hicham> flo : because ABRT takes cares of downloading the debuginfo package before sending the report
13:31:10 <hicham> flo : so that the backtrace is useful
13:31:12 <flo> how does it help to download it instead of having it on the server?
13:31:20 <flo> the results we have are like this: http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/0e62c9df-0780-46d2-8ca4-1b5d52100928
13:32:04 <hicham> flo : because the debuginfo should match the built binary ;)
13:32:24 <flo> I've got to go. See you all tomorrow :) (I'll probably read the log this evening, but can't reply from my phone)
13:32:41 <hicham> thanks, ttyl
13:32:41 <flo> hicham: the debug info we have on the server matches the binaries too ;)
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13:40:30 <Mic> flo, clokep: what editors do you use for coding btw?
13:40:43 <clokep> Mic: Komodo Edit 6 nightlies.
13:42:53 <Mic> Thanks, I'll try it later maybe
13:43:13 <Mic> so far I was content with syntax highlighting and used Notepad2 
13:43:15 <clokep> Its nice. Has a lot of Mozilla stuff built in.
13:46:20 <clokep> I'm not a big fan of Notepad2, just never got the hang out of.
13:46:34 <clokep> Komodo Edit is pretty "heavy" btw, so IDK if you'll like it.
13:46:40 <clokep> flo probably uses something for mac btw. ;)
13:46:46 <clokep> I have to go! BYe.
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14:35:00 <Mic> Yes, I like that Notepad2 is so light. I sometimes miss completion/checking of variable names
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14:48:00 <clokep> Mic: Komodo Edit has a lot of Mozilla recognition too, so it knows parts of the mozilla source tree. I have a few extensions that I like too. Don't remember them right now though. :)
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16:54:30 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com added attachment 363 to bug 483.
16:54:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 min, --, ---, tymerkaev, ASSI, Instantbird default theme has no preview image
16:59:43 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 305 to FIXED.
16:59:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Add support for SVG emoticons
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17:00:45 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 363 on bug 483.
17:00:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 min, --, ---, tymerkaev, ASSI, Instantbird default theme has no preview image
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17:16:38 <Mic> hi
17:17:07 <tymerkaev> hello
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17:18:10 <clokep> Welcome back.
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17:22:42 <clokep> Also Mic I just updated the smilies in links bug with a bunch of stuff. ;) bug 207
17:22:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, URLs should not contain Smileys
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17:35:23 <Mic> I'm not sure about the glyphs but wrapping the text to html code in a text modifier could make sense
17:35:31 <Mic> So we get rid of this special case
17:36:25 <clokep> I agree.
17:37:05 <Mic> Text modifiers are mutually exclusive at the moment .. so if one piece matches an url, it can't match a smilie anymore
17:37:30 <clokep> Right.
17:37:34 <Mic> we'd just make sure the text modifier isn't 'too greedy'
17:37:59 <Mic> nevermind.. this was nonsense
17:38:30 <clokep> OK. Are they definitely mutually exclusive?
17:38:41 <Mic> We're skipping the newly created nodes
17:38:47 <Mic> let me look it up ..
17:38:56 <clokep> OK. :) I tried to follow the code but kind of got lost.
17:40:16 <Mic> https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/e7151eeb5b29/instantbird/modules/imContentSink.jsm#l340
17:41:13 <Mic> You could try to ask .. maybe I could answer something.
17:42:10 <clokep> Ah, I see it now.
17:42:23 <clokep> What happens if the HTML returns something that's not a text node?
17:44:45 <clokep> Wouldn't the links created by the mozITXTToHTMLConv be skipped anyway since they're not Ci.nsIDOMText?
17:45:04 <Mic> they contain a textnode
17:45:36 <Mic> ah.. which we wouldn't reach because of this .. yes. 
17:45:40 <Mic> hmm.
17:46:00 <clokep> I feel like it shouldn't be an issue to start w/ :-\
17:46:52 <Mic> no
17:47:07 <Mic> We only reach this code when we were on a text node
17:47:15 <Mic> initially
17:47:22 <Mic> See line 320
17:47:26 <clokep> Ohhh, I see.
17:47:46 <clokep> Oh OK, so it drills down through other elements until you reach the text node, then does that stuff. :)
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17:48:35 <clokep> I'll see about changing it to a text modifier and seeing if it fixes it.
17:49:05 <Mic> :)
17:49:08 <Mic> Thans
17:49:09 <Mic> *Thanks
17:50:03 <hicham> instantbird needs more patching with xulrunner-1.9.1 :(
17:50:25 <clokep> I have to get going. I'll be back in a bit.
17:50:32 <Mic> I thought 1.9.1 wasn't even supported?
17:50:37 <Mic> bye
17:52:34 <hicham> that is what debian compiled IB against
17:52:43 <hicham> patches related to some idl stuff
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17:54:20 <hicham> and flo told me it is supported
17:57:04 <Mic> well, then it is ;)
17:59:59 <Mic> clokep: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/423
18:00:09 <Mic> maybe this makes life a bit easier for your task
18:00:19 <Mic> I stripped away unncessary pieces already
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18:02:30 <Mic> 20:00:02 - Mic (Mozilla): clokep: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/423
18:02:30 <Mic> 20:00:11 - Mic (Mozilla): maybe this makes life a bit easier for your task
18:02:31 <Mic> 20:00:22 - Mic (Mozilla): I stripped away unncessary pieces already
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18:03:45 <clokep> Mic: That's a big block of commented out code. ;)
18:04:10 <clokep> Why do you think its bad to link everything at once?
18:04:27 <Mic> yes, I only left the necessary functions and this. This is how the other text modifiers work
18:04:50 <Mic> They match their pattern once, create nodes and proceed 
18:06:38 <clokep> But do they do that just cause there's no other way or...?
18:06:52 <hicham> does anyone of you know why mozilla used the word 'libpr0n' for its module containing decoders/encoders for common images format ?
18:07:25 <clokep> Its referring to library "porn" I assume, but I have no idea why. :)
18:08:20 <clokep> "Why the name "libpr0n"?
18:08:21 <clokep>     The main goal of the library is to render pornographic images in an efficient way. Plus, the name "imglib2" is boring."
18:08:25 <clokep> From http://www.libpr0n.com/faq.html ;)
18:08:31 <Mic> lol
18:09:02 <hicham> what about this : http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/6a2ce1ab7d88/modules/libpr0n
18:09:17 <clokep> What about it...?
18:09:36 <hicham> wouldn't the name be offensive to some ?
18:09:42 <hicham> i am just wondering ...
18:09:58 <Mic> Who would ever see this name, beside some nerds that never get out of their basement?
18:10:00 <clokep> I'm sure it would be, but no one sees it except coders.
18:11:20 <Mic> clokep: just do it the way you think is right
18:11:41 <clokep> OK. :)
18:11:51 <clokep> I'll probably do that before working on my IRC stuff again.
18:12:23 <Mic> I think it might only take a few minutes if you're lucky
18:15:18 <clokep> Its gonna take longer to just set up the environment. :P
18:15:40 <Mic> Remove my contributor line when you're at it. There'll be nothing left of my code once you're finished
18:19:47 <clokep> Sure.
18:19:57 * clokep is emailing various professors right now.
18:28:07 <clokep> Mic: How do you usually develop anyway? Just unpack omni.jar?
18:28:20 <clokep> You can't just create a patch then though.
18:28:42 <Mic> yes, I'm using an unpacked copy of IB
18:28:50 <Mic> I move my changes to the repository later
18:29:26 <clokep> So I just take everything from omni.jar dump it in the upper directoy and merge the chrome.manifests?
18:29:29 <Mic> The bad thing with it is that I have to remember which parts I changed
18:29:48 <Mic> yes, the manifest need to be merged
18:30:13 <clokep> I have "greprefs.js" in both also?
18:30:25 <clokep> But maybe that was left over from an install.
18:31:01 <Mic> hmm, I can't remember but I think this is rather a good sign (ie no bigger troubles involved)
18:31:10 <Mic> *a rather
18:31:27 <clokep> I can always reinstall. ;)
18:31:41 * clokep thinks he should make a script to do this.
18:33:02 <hicham> how to call native code from within javascript ?
18:33:12 <hicham> i guess an xpcom interface is needed ...
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18:33:33 <clokep> hicham: Yes xpcom is needed.
18:34:17 <clokep> Mic: kJSLint, TODO Helper are things I installed into Komodo Edit.
18:35:10 <Mic> hicham: if it is in a separate library, you can try using js-ctypes
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18:37:34 <Mic> hicham: here's an example from my code, pelase ignore anything below line 40 :D
18:37:37 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/425
18:37:59 <Mic> (in case you'd like to have a look at js-ctypes)
18:39:17 <hicham> thanks Mic
18:39:25 <Mic> you're welcome
18:41:25 <Mic> Oh, you call and use the two new functions like any javascript function by the way
18:41:34 <clokep> Mic: So each modifier is passed a "textNode".
18:41:51 <clokep> (Wai tthere's a question in there somwhere. I promise.)
18:42:17 <clokep> Never mind. :)
18:42:21 <clokep> I need aNode.data
18:46:40 <clokep> Mic: Any idea why we're using scanHTML and not scanTXT from the TXTToHTMLConv?
18:47:16 <Mic> no
18:47:41 <clokep> Thanks. :)
18:49:27 <clokep> Unfortunately the library wants to deal w/ strings while Instantbird wants me to use nodes. :P pretty annoying
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19:18:14 <Mic> I think links should take precedence over smilies since parts of a link could look like a smiley but not vice versa
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19:20:36 <clokep> Great Instantbird just updated...
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19:22:18 <Mic> Afaik the update should fail if there's no omni.jar anymore
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19:23:01 <Mic> That's atleast how I interpreted the failure to update until now ;)
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20:00:57 <Mic> hicham: the js-ctypes functions of my example don't work on moz2, I didn't have time yet to figure out what needs to be changed
20:01:24 <Mic> I guess you have a look at the documentation
20:01:34 <hicham> Mic : maybe missing registration
20:02:36 <Mic> what do you mean?
20:10:02 <clokep> Mic: I think one of the types you used doesn't exist anymore from when I tried your code.
20:11:11 <Mic> Maybe .. I think this module was changed a lot
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20:13:03 <clokep> I need to test a couple things in my patch. ;)
20:13:10 <clokep> Like to make sure links work?
20:13:20 <clokep> Which they don't seem to be: http://www.instantbird.com
20:16:00 <Mic> wfm :P
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20:31:45 <Mic> hicham: one more: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/js-ctypes/js-ctypes_reference
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20:50:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 535 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
20:50:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Large default database files
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20:59:03 <Mic> clokep: are links working?
20:59:09 <Mic> *now
20:59:18 <clokep> Mic: Not yet. I'm playing a game now. ;)
20:59:33 <Mic> Have fun
20:59:56 <Mic> Good night/afternoon
21:03:25 <clokep> Thanks 'night.
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