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00:06:25 <flo> good night! 00:58:03 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 01:35:31 <-- GeekShado_ has quit (Ping timeout) 07:35:09 --> Tro has joined #instantbird 07:35:16 <Tro> hi 07:36:22 <flo> good morning :) (but I've got to go now, sorry ^^') 07:36:28 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 07:38:16 <Tro> :Ð 07:38:30 <-- Tro has left #instantbird () 08:24:34 --> Troy has joined #instantbird 08:48:18 <-- Troy has quit (Client exited) 09:00:15 --> FStyle has joined #instantbird 09:04:36 <-- FStyle has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0/2008061004]) 09:43:36 --> Troy has joined #instantbird 09:43:43 <-- Troy has left #instantbird () 09:51:36 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:51:44 <Mic> Hello 10:02:03 --> flo has joined #instantbird 10:02:03 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 10:02:52 <flo> hi :) 10:03:39 <Morian> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Firefox/3.6b4/7 I love the linux column of this page :-D 10:07:02 <flo> what do you love? 10:07:15 <flo> the fact that almost nobody uses mozilla-provided binaries on Linux? 10:08:17 <Chaz6> For some reason the crash reporter doesn't work for me on linux :/ 10:08:22 <Chaz6> I use the mozilla binaries 10:08:33 <Chaz6> I have restart it manually 10:08:37 <Morian> tss ><' 10:08:44 <flo> 64bit? 10:08:47 <Chaz6> no 10:09:58 <Chaz6> I don't think they use the reference platform for it 10:22:53 <flo> I mean, I think the crash reporter doesn't work at all if the machine running the application has a 64bit os (even if it's a 32 bit binary of Firefox) 10:23:55 <Chaz6> 32bit os here 10:24:28 <flo> ok :) 10:24:58 <Chaz6> Hopefully i'll get something new soon, i'm moving to england for a bit in january 10:25:37 <flo> :) 10:39:07 --> Troy has joined #instantbird 10:42:02 <Troy> flo, Quentin received a letter from me? 10:42:44 <flo> yes, but I'm not sure he understood what you are actually proposing to change 10:44:15 <Troy> size of Instantbird icon, so that it fits into the installer and ... 10:44:30 <Troy> http://wiki.instantbird.org/Special:Contributions/Tro 10:47:00 <Troy> because for version 0.2b1 will have installer? 10:47:19 <flo> I think it will be the next release after that 10:47:49 <Troy> 0.2b2? 10:47:55 <flo> I think so, ye 10:47:56 <flo> s 10:51:35 <Troy> I have another idea - change the design instantbrd.com so that he would have been more like to mozilla.com and / or mozillamessaging.com. What do you think about this? 10:54:14 <Troy> flo 10:54:26 <flo> it depends on what you mean by that 10:54:43 <flo> we are not going to copy another website to make instantbird.com look similar 10:54:54 <flo> but if some ideas are interesting, we may reuse them 11:00:14 <Troy> How to explain this, so you are not offended: now Instantbird hasn't a clear structure, and does not contain all the necessary information. From mozilla.com site can take the effect of the drop-down menu links at the bottom of page, support site, and something else. 11:02:26 <Troy> You understand what I mean? 11:05:28 <flo> nobody is going to be offended if you just tell what you mean ;) 11:07:30 <Troy> I do not want you copying site mozilla.com, but I want used his convenience. He does not use the original style, there are other sites such as 11:07:41 <Troy> opera.com 11:07:48 <Troy> microsoft.com 11:08:19 <Troy> and more 11:08:37 <Troy> you understand? 11:08:46 <Troy> ;) 11:09:46 <Troy> http://www.apple.com/ ! 11:10:16 <flo> google.com 11:10:19 <flo> amazon.com 11:10:57 <Troy> you see the similarity between these sites and mozilla.com? 11:11:17 <flo> no :) 11:12:34 <flo> but maybe you can do a mockup? 11:13:07 <Troy> oh. Let's say you did not see the similarities. You do not like the look of these sites? 11:13:12 <Troy> ok 11:13:31 <flo> they are very different one from another 11:18:18 <flo> lunch time! 11:38:57 <Troy> http://wiki.instantbird.org/File:Instantbird.com-mockup-i1.png 11:39:06 <-- Troy has quit (Quit: See you later!) 12:22:52 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 13:01:27 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 13:40:53 <-- Mitch has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85-2009110223 [SeaMonkey 2.0/20091017081335]) 14:03:27 --> flo has joined #instantbird 14:03:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 14:35:48 <flo> if there are bugs that *really* need to be fixed before we release beta1, I guess today is the right time to remind me about them... 14:50:45 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 14:51:03 <iLobster> greetings 14:51:07 <flo> hi 14:56:46 <iLobster> i just re-read "protocols as extensions" from blog.instantbird.org about "transforming" Facebook Chat plugin to extension and have a question: was it hard to "transform"? 14:57:44 <flo> to compile the facebook chat plugin to show the example once all the work inside instantbird was already done? 14:57:51 <flo> no, it wasn't hard 14:58:04 <flo> but once the code was ready, it was tedious to compile it once on each platform 14:58:26 <flo> It meant I had to do a mac universal build, a linux 32bit build, an win32 build. 14:59:36 <iLobster> hmm... ok 15:00:34 <-- iLobster has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]) 15:49:18 --> Troy has joined #instantbird 15:57:20 <Troy> flo, you're not busy? 15:57:35 <flo> business is always relative ;) 15:58:29 <Troy> http://wiki.instantbird.org/images/d/d1/Instantbird.com-mockup-i1.png 15:58:30 <flo> hmm, ... I meant busyness 15:59:35 <Troy> Here Mockup, as I promised. 15:59:48 <flo> that layout sounds ok to me 16:00:37 <flo> a clearly visible space to "Download right now", a place to show that Instantbird is cool (screenshots, features, ...), a place to show that the project is actually active and things are going on, and a place to show people how they can contribute. 16:01:13 <Troy> You like it? 16:01:31 <Troy> or no 16:02:05 <flo> as a mockup, yes. But we need to see the real life result to know if it's what we wanna do :) 16:02:46 <Troy> that is ..? 16:04:08 <flo> that is, there's a lot of work to do on that website. And there will probably be several iterations ;) 16:07:17 <Troy> need a test domain for this 16:07:29 <flo> you mean you want to try to create the website? 16:08:25 <Troy> no so... 16:08:29 <Troy> please wait 16:09:45 <Troy> http://www.sitespect.com/ 16:10:28 <Troy> I do not quite understand what that site, but it can be fun (?) 16:11:08 <flo> probably very expensive 16:18:01 <Troy> way, flo, as I understand it, you'll be doing Beta 1 very soon? 16:18:07 <flo> yes 16:19:06 <Troy> minimize to tray will be waiting until Beta 2? 16:19:31 <flo> It won't be included by default in beta1. 16:19:53 <flo> not sure yet if we recommand the addon or if we work on it ourselves for beta2/final. 16:20:27 <flo> I think at this point, 0.2b1pre is already so much better than 0.1.3 that we should just release it to users as soon as we can :) 16:20:45 <Troy> Now this option can be included? 16:22:00 <Troy> I use MinTrayR. 16:23:48 <Troy> You have already created a repositories for translate Beta 1? 16:24:14 <flo> we have fr and nl 16:24:15 <flo> https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/ 16:24:25 <Troy> more locales? 16:24:35 <flo> I don't think beta1 is going to be translated (not enough time for translators to do a good job). 16:24:56 <flo> We will probably announce at the same time as beta1 that we are now accepting translators' contributions 16:25:15 <flo> and beta2 will be in as many languages as we have volunteers... 16:25:33 <Troy> It will be the basis for the 0.2 beta2 16:26:08 <Troy> http://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Translation 16:26:26 <Troy> This information is not outdated? 16:26:45 <flo> that's probably where we will direct translators 16:26:59 <flo> I'll need to proof read that at least once, but I think it's still accurate 16:28:08 <Troy> I installed Tortoise HG. What's next? 16:28:38 <Troy> How many folders do I need to create? 16:28:58 <flo> read the documentation 16:29:01 <flo> I don't know/remember 16:30:17 <Troy> By the way, translations, you can create an extension that will provide opportunities Mozilla Translator and editor of languages like Skype. 16:30:34 <Troy> http://wiki.instantbird.org/images/d/d9/Ib-translate-i1.png 16:35:19 <Troy> flo 16:36:41 <flo> I don't understand that mockup. And I haven't understood your preview sentence so it didn't help me to understand the mockup :( 16:38:55 <Troy> You use the Skype? 16:39:00 <flo> no 16:46:37 <Troy> flo: http://wiki.instantbird.org/images/9/93/Skype_LangFile_Editor.png 16:46:46 --> Morian_ has joined #instantbird 16:47:01 <-- rbezut has quit (Ping timeout) 16:47:27 <flo> I'd like to have an extension that would allow translators to test nearly immediately their translations, but that's *a lot* of work 16:48:04 --> rbezut has joined #instantbird 16:48:20 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 16:48:33 <-- Morian has quit (Ping timeout) 16:48:44 <Troy> You read my thoughts. 16:49:29 <Troy> But for this expansion is finished basis - Mozilla Translator. 16:49:52 <Troy> Oh its something you use? 16:52:28 <Troy> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/l10n/tools/mozillatransaltor/ 16:52:54 <flo> I don't know it 16:53:08 <Troy> ooooh 16:53:09 <flo> but https://wiki.mozilla.org/Using_Mozilla_Translator says it requires Java. That looks scary 16:53:14 <Troy> download 16:53:26 <Chaz6> lol they spelt it wrong :) 16:54:06 <Troy> Why scary? 16:54:14 <flo> Chaz6: do you think that detail gives an overview of the usefulness of the tool? :) 16:55:00 <Troy> Well, yes, it's a bit slow. 16:55:35 <Troy> You can use Narro 16:56:00 <Chaz6> flo i'm not sure i have the attention span to read it all 16:56:12 <flo> that's probably not worth it ;) 16:56:30 <Chaz6> i dont think i would get on very well with that tool 17:13:12 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 276 filed by florian@instantbird.org. 17:13:13 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 253 to bug 276. 17:13:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Nicklist painfully slow 17:15:25 * flo feels relieved now that he has shared his thoughts on this topic with bugzilla :) 17:20:57 <-- Troy has quit (Quit: See you later!) 17:24:49 --> rbezut1 has joined #instantbird 17:24:50 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 17:25:35 <-- rbezut has quit (Ping timeout) 17:26:04 <-- Morian_ has quit (Ping timeout) 17:34:35 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:35:02 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 17:35:09 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:48:03 <flo> gtg 17:48:08 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 18:06:17 --> Morian_ has joined #instantbird 18:07:32 <-- Morian has quit (Ping timeout) 18:42:45 --> m513901 has joined #instantbird 18:55:44 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 18:55:50 <-- rbezut1 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:58:36 <-- Morian_ has quit (Ping timeout) 18:58:40 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 18:58:40 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2a1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 18:58:41 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 18:59:46 <-- Morian has quit (Ping timeout) 18:59:53 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 19:04:48 --> rbezut has joined #instantbird 19:08:11 --> Morian_ has joined #instantbird 19:09:40 <-- Morian has quit (Ping timeout) 19:19:46 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:19:46 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:24:32 <-- rbezut has quit (Ping timeout) 19:24:34 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 19:24:34 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2a1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 19:24:34 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 19:24:35 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 19:25:35 <-- Morian_ has quit (Ping timeout) 19:26:51 --> rbezut has joined #instantbird 19:48:31 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:48:38 <Mic> Good evening 19:58:45 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 20:00:10 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:08:44 <Mic> How does Instantbird gather information about usage of extension? 20:10:53 <Mic> I'm curious to find out how it comes that there is 2 active daily users of one of my extensions in version "0.2.1" when this version is installed on exactly 1 Instantbird profile altogether 20:19:25 <flo> good evening :) 20:20:21 <flo> how do you know it's installed on only one profile? 20:20:36 <flo> I think the number of daily active users is the number of check for updates 20:20:58 <flo> it doesn't check for updates of extensions more than once a day if you don't manually force it to check 20:21:16 <Mic> ah 20:22:07 <Mic> I can't tell for sure if someone modified his extension, but the only one I know of is a development version here on this profile 20:22:46 <Mic> So: I'm reasonably sure that there is only one.. 20:23:20 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 20:23:21 <Mic> .. would be quite some luck that someone changes his version number to exactly the same within half a week 20:23:59 <flo> ah! I understand now :) 20:24:27 <flo> It wasn't clear in my mind how you could have a daily user count at all for a not yet released extension. 20:24:39 <flo> but it's just the count for that specific version number :) 20:25:29 <Mic> Let's see .. the count should be atleast "5" by tomorrow ;) 20:25:56 <Mic> Cheating on the statistics :D 20:26:09 <flo> Poor even ;) 20:26:35 <flo> he spent so much time trying to make them work, and now you are cheating with them ;) 20:26:54 <Mic> oh, I interpreted that as english word .. 20:26:58 <Mic> Sorry, Even 20:27:33 <flo> ahah :) 20:28:03 <Mic> I thought you find it poor to cheat on the statistics. Would be right if it was for the credits.. but it's a noble cause here: I'm doing it in the name of science *cough* 20:28:15 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 20:28:30 <flo> Mic: :) 20:36:59 <-- idechix has left #instantbird () 20:37:20 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 20:37:42 <idechix> hi flo! 20:38:30 <flo> idechix: hi... 20:38:40 <idechix> ^^' 20:38:47 <idechix> sorry for that... 20:39:30 <flo> instantbot: how are you? 20:39:31 <instantbot> flo: fine thanks! I've been up 5 days so far! 20:39:45 <idechix> :) 20:39:49 <idechix> it works :) 20:40:16 <Mic> The muted colours are quite more eye-friendly by the way 20:40:25 <Mic> hi idechix btw 20:40:48 <idechix> Mic: hi! 20:40:58 <Morian> hey idechix 20:41:03 <Morian> whats up ? 20:41:09 <idechix> hey! 20:42:03 <idechix> I'm trying my conversation theme 20:43:47 <-- idechix has quit (Input/output error) 20:43:53 <Morian> mmmh 20:48:09 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 20:48:21 <-- idechix has left #instantbird () 20:48:35 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 20:54:40 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 20:54:50 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:01:09 <Mic> flo: suggestion: add the nick colour algorithm to bug 276 and let the one taking this job fix bug 209 at a stroke 21:01:13 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Nicklist painfully slow 21:01:14 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nickname colors are ugly in chat conversations 21:03:17 <flo> or what about marking 209 as FIXED already? :-D 21:04:09 <flo> btw, my intent when filing bug 276 was mostly to put somewhere accessible publicly the thoughts that I had already had on the subject (performance issue). 21:04:13 <instantbot> flo: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Nicklist painfully slow 21:04:32 <flo> whatever the next person who work on the nicklist actually implements it ... his/her business :) 21:07:49 <Mic> I just remember that you once said you had an reasonable algorithm lying around.. 21:15:34 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 21:17:36 <flo> Mic: and algorithm whose author thought it was reasonable. (this makes quite a difference I think :)) 21:18:06 <Mic> I guess most people think their work reasonable, that's true 21:33:33 <-- m513901 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 22:05:46 <Mic> Good night 22:05:52 <flo> good night :) 22:19:54 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/safe-mode-no-preview.png 22:37:03 <flo> same on windows: http://queze.net/goinfre/safe-mode-no-preview-win.png 22:54:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ae70cf6df0d7 - Florian Qu?ze - Show a message when a message style preview is not available. 22:54:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9a30c7bb6ea2 - Florian Qu?ze - Make the warning about leaked purple string preferences appear only on stderr for debug builds instead of in the error console. 22:54:51 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/77bd9ad384db - Florian Qu?ze - Put a message in the error console when libpurple is trying to request something from the user, or to notify of a message. 22:54:52 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/54d117d81368 - Florian Qu?ze - Refactoring of the 'Themes' preference tab using <preference> tags so that the changes are saved only once OK has been clicked (on Windows). 23:02:41 <flo> good night (really going to sleep this time :)) 23:05:08 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 23:18:23 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 23:26:36 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre)